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Episode 23 of Let's Talk Clermont. We get into Milford’s paid-parking dust-up and storm water concerns tied to the Aerie subdivision. Then we talk with Cadet Captain Marco Nadler from the Civil Air Patrol’s Clermont County Composite Squadron about leadership, real-world emergency services, and the positive impact Civil Air Patrol has on his life. Plus a quick roundup of Clermont County events.

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Welcome to episode 23   of Let's Talk Claremont. I am your host,   Patrick, and, I'm happy to be doing this like always. Hope everybody is enjoying   the unseasonably cold weather, I think. If I've if I've listened to the weather reports correctly, it's gonna get it's gonna get colder, which I know I like, but I think some people like the the heat.   But I, frankly, don't understand those people, so I'm happy for the weather. In any event, outside of the weather, thanks for joining us.   We are getting new people more and more and more. So before we start, let me just tell you what we're gonna do. We're gonna talk about some news, then we're gonna get into our interview, and then we'll talk about some events   around the county that you might be interested in attending.  

So let's start with our news. We don't have a whole lot, except for an update on Milford. If you remember from last week,   there was a bit of a,   I guess, a a dust up you'd say about   the council thinking about making parking paid in certain areas in Downtown Milford. Well, I was finally able to get a hold of the 08/19,   council   meeting video,   the August 19   council meeting video. And I can give you an update on the paid, paid parking.   So the council opened up discussion   and made it clear that the paid parking was in response to needing more parking turnover, and it seems like the big problem is actually employee parking. So people who work in Downtown Milford,   they will park, obviously, and their shifts could be, you know, six, eight hours long. So that's chewing up a lot of parking that people who wanna come down to, Downtown Milford and enjoy it can't utilize.  

So the discussion was positive, and people   generally seemed aware that there was a parking problem, and everybody was receptive   to working towards a solution to fix that. The motion was tabled, so they weren't gonna vote on it on it,   on that,   August 19 meeting.   And   based on the public backlash, I have a feeling that paid parking will not be coming to to Downtown Milford. But at least the council is trying to figure out, you know, ways to solve it. I think there were some discussions   about, you know, better signage,   maybe, you know, two hour parking, four hour parking, stuff like that. So it sounds like people are working on this problem, and paid parking is is not gonna be   a solution.  

We have some updates on the the   developments in the stormwater problems in the city that producer Molly Shell was sent in a Facebook comment brought up. So there's actually going to be a public meeting to discuss   the revocation of the final PD development plan for the Ares subdivision project on September 9 at 6PM   at the council chambers.   So this is gonna this is the new development that they were talking about, and it sounds like prior developments,   the developer really made a mess of things and caused some drainage issues.   So   what I thought we'd do is I I took some clips from   the council meeting, and I thought we listened to them because they were really good clips, at least in my opinion. So the first one we're gonna get into is John Lebans, and he is asking for clarification on what a TIF is. Now this whole project is, I'm I'm not entirely sure what TIF stands for. I know it's an acronym, but it's a it's an incentive structure   that,   helps   with development. But let's listen to his question, and I'm pretty sure I've got the response in there, so we'll listen to that too.  



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John Lebans, fifty four Mound.   So as my understanding is they still pay the same property tax everyone else does,  

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yet their property tax goes to something different. Is that That's correct. So in terms of the resident itself, nothing changes in terms of the property taxes. There's no abatement. Anything that would have been paid had there not been an incentive will be paid.   The differences on our end in which we're able to capture   those revenues. So we get a small percentage of the property tax if you look at the property tax card.   So other than the schools,   you know, the rest of it, you know, is spread, you know, amongst the county, township and so forth. So what we have the ability to do is capture that increased value   and utilize that for public expenditures on that particular site itself. We can't use it anywhere else in town and we can only utilize it for,   expenses that are eligible within the Ohio Revised Code.  



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And do are there other TIF districts   currently in the city?  

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Currently, no.   There was an approved TIF,   last year, but the project has not come,   on board yet, so there is no active TIFs.  

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Okay. And then the and the last question is   the   public   infrastructure that it would go towards,   who would normally   pay for that or build that   in a new development?  

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Depends.   If it's public infrastructure, then either well, the developer could put that in the ground or that could be a joint partnership. But there's several issues on the site itself,   whether it's stormwater,   whether it's the just really the infrastructure as a whole. So it depends upon. It's a case by case.  

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So there was John asking his question about what a what this TIF is and what the money is gonna go for.   So from my understanding of what a TIF actually does   is there are different levels of taxes that that will be paid. So there's a tax on the unimproved land, and then there's a tax on the improved land, and the city is able to where it normally wouldn't be able to, is able to come in and get a piece of that tax revenue and then spend it on   the development itself   to help the developer   with infrastructure   improvement. So you heard that that last point, which I thought was an important part of the question. Who would normally pay for these infrastructure developments   if it wasn't structured in this tax incentive,   kind of development   structure?  

So   and you see you heard the response, and that was Ben Gunderson who is the the city administrator,   or city manager rather, I believe.   So   who would normally fit the bill? It might be the developer. It might be the city. It might be a partnership between the two. But if the developer would fit the bill anyway, then I think the next obvious question is   why the TIF. But all of that aside,   that's kinda what a TIF is, and that's that's what they're talking about. Now the next clip we have is from Doug Michaels,   and he brings up the stormwater and flooding issues. And you have to excuse the audio, that wasn't me. I would admit if it was me, but that that was the recording that they had and there's some cutting out there. But, but I think he does a good job of highlighting,   the issues that people in Milford are having with these developments, and I think specifically with this developer.  



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So   has there been items that   been somewhat earmarked for this TIF? Because I know you're talking about stormwater drainage   and and things of that nature. I know when this,   development went in place, there was a lot of discussion, a lot of concern that was brought up. Apple Lane   down in the Claritome about the runoff.   And, unfortunately, I don't think that has been addressed as well as it has. I know there's some retaining ponds.   They don't seem to be working.   I honestly don't think they're really kept in good shape. There's they're completely   covered with,   moss and there's still extension cords running into them and things of that nature.  

And so, it seems like we're kind of going back and trying to pay for maybe potentially some stuff that the developer   didn't address properly during this entire process.   I know now, continuing, if it rains at all,   entire Garfield is flooded,   like standing standing water puddles.   So   I I have a concern if if us as taxpayers are going to be funding   the the shortfalls of the   the the old South Milford building is still there.   It's still somewhat of an eyesore.   It's a start and stop.   You know, my concern is now we're gonna   for asbestos abatement and stuff that we thought that the developer would be doing   that now the city is gonna get stuck with the bill.  

We have also seen this developer damage the infrastructure   of, you know, a couple I think, last year or the year before in December,   where they collapsed the line and the city had to come in and fix that line.   I don't know if that money was ever collected back from the developer, but it seems like we're focusing on just this,   let's be honest, high end expensive,   development   and the developer   is potentially going to ask the city for funding to help with the infrastructure.   To me, that's   part   of   it.   The Claritoma Development, Apple Lane, and even like Jeff was saying, you know, I think we have much bigger issues in in South Milford,   the Cleveland. We do have water down in Cleveland and, you know,   a mill and things stuff of that nature. So,   you know, I have an issue with that we're gonna try to   continue to fund a brand new neighborhood   to make   their   water abatement or other issues,   a priority.  

I think it's also ironic that we sold them a school property. The school sold them a property, I think, at a probably a discounted rate, and we're literally taking the money out of the school district's pocket   to pay for these things.   So, thank you.  

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So, obviously, a very receptive comment from the,   applause there at the end. And and what it sounds like Doug is saying   is that this developer's already screwed up a whole bunch of stormwater issues, and now we have this TIF, and we're gonna use the revenue from the TIF to help them fix what they've already broken,   which   if that's what he's saying and that if that's what's actually going on,   you know, that doesn't seem right to me. But, you know, I and, you know, again, I don't have any skin in the game. I'm not from Milford, and what Milford does is, you know, what Milford does.   But, Ben Gunderson, the,   city manager or administrator, I can't remember which one, but one of those,   he, he had a response and it was pretty brief one, and we'll just play that real fast.  



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I mean, there's a few different responses to that. I I suppose depending upon which which angle we go. In in terms of actual expenditures, we have no formalized   list of things that we are going to pay with that money simply because it's not official. So I I I'm not planning for,   covering expenses until I have the ability to do so. So to come up, say I have a list of things that we're gonna pay for, we don't have that at this time. No.  

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So he's pretty much saying he there's no there's been nothing earmarked for these funds.   They don't really know what they're gonna be paying for in this development if it goes forward,   and things like that. So   so that's,   that's really all we got with Milford. It's quite a bit. I mean, that's all the news we have, but that's quite a quite a lot of news. And I'd I would like to thank, Molly Shell, producer Molly Shell, again, for making us aware of this, and   it's a really good example of how value for value is supposed to work when it comes to time and talent. You let me know something's going on in your neighborhood. I dig into it a little bit more, try to flush it out and, you know, bring the issue to the forefront. So,   with that,   that's, actually probably one of the first good segues we've ever had to we are a value for value podcast.  

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Send me a note. I love hearing from people. It's it's one of the fun parts of this job. Job. I guess it's a job.   So please get in touch.   So for today's interview, we are talking with cadet captain Marco Nadler.   He's a member of the Civil Air Patrol Clermont County Composite Squadron.   And I think it's important to note, he's only 16,   and I was very impressed. A very impressive young man. I think civil air patrol actually has a lot to do with that.   But we get into what civil air patrol is, how he got involved, you know, kind of what he does in civil air patrol, which is very interesting.   And if you are interested in civil air patrol, there is an information meeting at the Claremont County Airport in the Hawk Building this Saturday   from one to 4PM,   and you'll learn all about what they do there. There'll be some light refreshments.  

It's geared for, people ages 12 to 18.   And I would encourage anyone out there, if you are 12 to 18 years old and happen to be listening to this podcast,   first off, cool. That's a that's a cool demographic to capture, so thank you for listening.   But, also, if you're interested in something like that, I would really encourage you to go and and find out. And if you're parents of kids in that age range, I would also encourage you to go there and and look into the civil air patrol because if if Marco was any indication of the kind of   kids or young young people that it it kind of creates and molds, then, I mean, that's a   that in my mind is a a the best advertisement for civil air patrol that you could possibly have. So,   thanks to Marco for sitting down with me. And, again, if you are interested in this, check it out this Saturday at the Claremont County Airport, in the Hawk Building from one to 4PM.  

So with that said, I hope you enjoy the interview.   Now start this like I start all of them and just tell me who you are and what you do. Yeah. I'm, Marco Nadler. I'm a cadet captain. I'm a cadet in civil air patrol,  

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here down at Claremont County Composite Squadron. Nice. So can you like, to start off with, can you just tell me a little bit about civil air patrol and what you guys do? Yeah. So we're the auxiliary of the air force. So we are a cadet program. So we focus more on the younger audience,   ages 12 to 18.   And, basically, our goal and a broad term is to develop future leaders of America,   things like that, put you in all these different experiences and all these opportunities  

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you can do. And how did you get,   started out in this? Because  

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there's ranks. Right? Yes. Yes. So in terms of ranks, we follow so we're the auxiliary of the air force. Okay. So our ranks are, like, really similar to, the Air Force. So first, you've got your airmen. So when you first join, you're an airman basic. You go through airmen, airmen first class, senior airmen, and then you get to your first big milestone, which is a staff sergeant. So now you're a noncommissioned officer,   and then you go through the NCO roles,   and then you become an officer. So then you're a second lieutenant, first lieutenant, then you get into, like, captain,   which of your more, like, executive,   roles. And with all those roles, there's different responsibilities   correlated with them.  

With our squadron, you know, and all squadrons in cap, we follow a chain of command like the air force. So we have different flights, a flight sergeant flight commander,   squadron commander. I'm a deputy. I'm the deputy of operations and support.   Basically what I do is, the squadron commander, you know, he makes plans,   he sets everything up, and I make sure it happens.   And so, for example, your flight sergeant, that's an NCO role. So that's that tactical level leadership. So a cadet in that role, they're they're interacting with the airmen of the flight.   And then once you get more into an officer, you're more of a leader of other leaders.  

And then in my opinion, the most important one,   which, you know, most people are like, oh, wow. The officer sounds awesome. But I I think it's really important that you don't overlook the airmen Mhmm. Those first couple ranks because something, you know, people always overlook is I I wanna become a better leader, you know, I wanna be great at leadership. But in order to be a great leader, you need to be a great follower. Yeah. You gotta learn to follow. Yeah. And that's that's really what you focus on those first couple months here in the program as an airman is you're you're in a flight, you're being led by your flight surgeon and your flight commander.   They're kinda walking you through everything, and you kinda learn how to take those instructions. And then eventually, once you get up in those ranks, you you get those more opportunities to lead. Yeah. Well, I mean, imagine,  

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the lower ranks are probably the more junior members, younger Yeah. Cadets. Yeah.   So it's, you know, important to   foster them Yeah. And grow.   So you're a a captain. Right? Yes. Okay. What what is what's the path? Like, what do how much work to add? It's a lot of work to get to where you're at. Right? It is it's a lot of work. The biggest thing is time. I'm coming up on three years in the program. Okay. So in terms of promotions,  

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the bare minimum you have to wait is two months Okay. In between promotions.   But a lot of people, they like to take their time. Personally, what I've always done is I don't rush through them. I've, you know, I ask myself before every promotion like, Hey, am I ready for the responsibilities   associated with this role?   So it it's taken a lot of work. We have different milestones. So   referring earlier, you got your airmen, then you got your noncommissioned officers and your officers. So your first noncommissioned officer rank, which is staff sergeant, that's your first milestone, and that's called the Wright Brothers Award. Okay. You take a written test, closed book, and then once you pass it, you're now an NCO, and now you're eligible to be on staff and, you know, start getting those leadership roles.   And then once you've gone through the NCO roles, which, you know, I was an NCO for a little over a year, you then, you know, start pushing towards an officer. And for testing for that, you're you go from chief master sergeant, which is your last NCO rank, and then, to officer, which is second lieutenant. And in order to get that second lieutenant, take your what's called your Mitchell testing.  

And that is a closed,   book on leadership and also as well as, like, aerospace topics because,   with civil air patrol, we're very aviation based and aerospace.   So So you take a big close book test, 50 questions for both,   and then if you pass it, you're an officer.   And then so that's the Billy Mitchell award.   All these awards are named off pioneers in aviation and military aviation. And then for me, I'm at the third milestone, which is captain, which is the Amelia Earhart award. So that's another   closed book test. It's basically there's these phases,   and you take a test based off everything you've learned in that phase. So you know, like, what's associated with that because you're about to be leading that phase because you're going above it. So how much  

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work and time do you have to put into studying and,   you know, advancing through the ranks?  

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It's it's a good amount of work. For me, I always say with cap, it's, you know, what you get out of cap is what you put into it. Sure. You know, a lot of people, they just come to our meetings. We meet weekly for   two hours. They come by. You know, they work on their promotion stuff on the side, and then that's about it for CAP for them. So for them, you know, it's just,   you know, if they had that testing come up, they'd study a little bit for it, study it. It it's a fair amount of studying, I will admit. And then, you know, get the ranks. But, for me, I'm involved with a lot of it.   I'm also the emergency services officer here.  

So I participate in that in a bunch of out of squadron stuff too. So   there there's a lot you can do. It's some people, it's a few hours of work a week. For me, it's, you know, it's almost a part time job once you once you get up there and you're dedicated.  

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So how did you get into   started asking this question and sidetracked myself.   How did you get into this, and what what's kind of driving you to, you know, rise through the ranks and put all this time into Civil War Patrol?  

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So what got me into it is I had a friend who he kinda told me about it, and the squadron was having an open house. And I was like, you know what? Might as well give it a shot. I wasn't in any activities or anything.   So I went and I don't know. I just kinda instantly liked it.   So much of my extended family was in the military. Mhmm. And I always I I never exactly considered the military. It was always kind of in the back of my mind, but I didn't really know, like, what I wanted my career path to be. Sure. And then, you know, I just kind of   felt at home, I guess, like, just kind of this the structure and everything. And, you know, I'm kind of,   know, going along with it because, you know, my goal is to enlist. And   through CAPS, so once you get to that second milestone, you're Billy Mitchell and become a second lieutenant. If you were to go in to enlist in the military, you'd start at an e three pay grade. Okay. So you so you kinda you're you kinda like a leg up. Yeah. It's more you're getting paid more, more advantages, everything by putting in this work now. So the is that because I was gonna ask you, like, what's your plan for the future? Because your people aren't here, obviously. They're listening. You're 16. Right? So you're still in high school. Yeah. Yeah. So what so you already are anticipating on enlisting? Yeah. My my plan is right now, I'm moving more towards the enlistment.  

The officer academy lately, I've been considering a little bit more. I know definitely,   you know, good good chance I'm going air force.   So right now, I'm just kinda debating between those paths. But with the, you know, the military academies like West Point and the Air Force Academy, those are really hard academies to get into. Oh, yeah. But if you look at statistics, a lot of those people who were accepted were in CAP and served time in CAP because, you know, you're   you you go into those academies and it's nothing new to you. You've been in the program a few years like the auxiliary of it. You know kinda what's going on and you've spent like, for example, for me, I've   been, you know, doing these positions for about two years in these leadership positions. So, you know, that would be a good, like, referral to an officer academy to become an officer. Yeah. And you guys actually because I'm sitting here and you're in, one of BDUs. It was already ABUs.  



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ABUs. There. Yeah. Yeah. That would make more sense.   And you guys drill Yep. Outside.   So can you talk about what happens during a meeting? Yeah. So  

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meetings, we have kind of a a monthly schedule on what we wanna do, for each meeting. So it starts off at the first of the month is our PT, which is physical testing, because a big point in cap is, you know, being physically fit. So it's basically the whole meeting. We do physical activities, physical testing, because with promotions,   you do have to pass physical standards in order to be able to promote.   And, you know, sometimes,   you know, we have more fun physical meetings where it's like we're playing football. Other times, it is the physical testing of the push ups, the mile run. So that's the first meeting of the month. And then in   and then in terms of the meetings in between,   they're normally they're we don't have, like, a set schedule on   this week. We do this, but they're along the lines of we do character development.  

So classes on, you know, developing character, leadership lessons and activities.   We'll sometimes do TLPs, which are team leadership problems where, you know, kinda exercising your brain.   Drill is a big part, you know, marching around, sending information.   That's that's a big thing we do here.   Aerospace education, that's a huge one because that's one of our pillars in CAPS. So we'll sometimes   have a flight sim and, you know, the cadets can, you know, play actual flight sim and that's something. They can they can play with the flight sim. I believe right now outside,  

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our aerospace officer is working with them on that. That's awesome. So, yeah, they can work on that, learn about aerospace officers working with them on that. That's awesome. That's awesome.  

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Yeah. They can work on that, learn about aerospace topics. We recently just finished the, the model rocketry program. So basically, it's a couple Model rocketry. Yeah. It's it's a couple months,   progress.   And they basically, you know, you start with a phase one rocket or whatever. Yeah. And then you, like, progress into these more complex. Yeah. Yeah. And then you get a, like, a badge and a patch you can wear on your uniform. So that's like another aerospace thing. We,   our second most recent meeting, we just spent the whole meeting launching,  

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the rockets and this it was actually really cool. I built, built a model rocket in high school for physics class,  

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and the thing took off. It looked like a Scud missile. It took off like this and then just tilted   and went right for the the high school, like the teacher's lounge high school. Oh, boy. Probably missed it by a couple inches. How do you get lucky? I got really lucky. So I model rocketry is fun.  

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I feel like I cut you off. No. No. You're fine. And then for   always, our final meeting is promotions night. So that's the meeting we come in our Air Force Blues. So the, you know, the nice dress uniform, the with the name tape and the ribbons and all that. And, basically,   that's a meeting where we recognize the promotion. So if you've been, you know, putting in the work throughout the month and you're planning on promoting, then you'll promote that night and, you know, we'll have, like, a mini little ceremony. We'll call you up. You'll get your certificate.   And sometimes for bigger promotions, we'll have, like, the wing commander come down and present those to you. Basically, just to kinda recognize your, your hard work. Mhmm. So you mentioned wing commander. How is it actually structured?  

So,   basically, you have   a squadron, and then you have a group of squadrons, and that's at a group level. And each state so states are called wings in our chain of command. So each wing or state has multiple different groups made of those squadrons, and then they all come together   at a wing level or state level. And then you have a bunch of wings in a group. So we're a part of the Great Lakes region Okay. With, like, you know, other wings like Michigan and things like that. And then it gets to the national level. Okay.  

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So you mentioned you're probably gonna go to air force. Are you a pilot? Do you do you fly?  

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So I wanna start on that. Okay. We have,   you know, kinda going into that. CAP does have programs that can get you your private pilot's license for free. So that's something I've been looking into. I don't know yet if that's something I wanna commit to, but there is plenty of people, especially at our squadron who, you know, that's kinda their jam is the pilot stuff, and they're they're going into that stuff.  

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So what other kind of things outside of the meetings do you guys do? Because I I think Gretchen mentioned that you have civil air patrol actually has planes.   Yeah. Sometimes they'll do search and rescue with the planes. But so what as a cadet, what do you do outside of the meetings? So there is so much that's available to you. So, for example, a big one is emergency services.  

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So I'm a squadron's emergency services officer, and I, you know, I plan   trainings and things like that. I also do it at a group level. And basically, what emergency services is is the the big things we do is search and rescue, working with other federal agencies and organizations,   assisting them with that.   Disaster relief, you know,   one with that was, fun fact, during the, the attacks   on the, Twin Towers during nineeleven.   No airplanes at all were authorized to go in the air except a cat plane. And what they did is they got the first photos of ground zero.   Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. So. So all the planes were grounded, but they let the civil air patrol. Only military jets and one of our planes was up there getting the photos. And now it's what provided the first photos to all officials.  

So that's like another thing we do is that kind of stuff. And then the the biggest thing we do is, urban direction finding Okay. Or and that's locating distress beacon. So, basically, all planes are located with an ELT, which stands for emergency locator transmitter.   And what those things do is when they, you know, detect impact, they go off. So whether that's, you know, the pilot crash, but nine times out of 10, it's just he had a really rough landing. Yeah. Yeah. And it sends out a signal. And what we will do is we'll get out equipment and we'll triangulate on that signal, find it, and deactivate it.   You know, we'll normally get, like, a call from an organization   or agency, and they're saying, like, hey. We've got, you know, coming from this direction, you know, can you guys go out and find it? And we're one of the very few, like, actual organizations  

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trained in doing this. So all the cadets are trained to do this. Yes. So you you yourself will go out and Yes. And do this. That's really cool. So,  

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now not any cadet, like, can't just go out Sure. And do it. You you have to get the qualifications.   So we will host, like, monthly trainings,   and you can get those qualifications   and be qualified to go out into the field and do things like that. That's really cool. Yeah. So you you actually do have a the civil air patrol in general has a much broader function than just meetings. Just yeah. The meetings are such a such a small part of it. So there's emergency services.   A big thing is NCSAs, which stands for National Cadet Special Activities.   And basically, what those are are they're kinda   you you can kinda think of them like summer camps. A lot of them go on during the summer, and basically they're through CAP and they're these activities typically a week long, and they've got ones for everybody.  

One recently I just did was NESA, which is the National Emergency Services Academy   because I'm big into the emergency services. That's, like, my favorite part about CAP. And, basically, what that is is it's a week at,   I believe it's in Indiana.   And   during that week, they get you qualified to go out into the field. It's your your training all day, and I was, like, an instructor. I was a team leader there. Nice. They also have ones that can get you your EMR.   They have   Blue Beret. They have   so many different ones. They have flight academies,   that can get you your private pilot's license and work on that during the week.  

Civil engineering academies, like, there's hundreds and hundreds that you can do and you sign up and you go to them.  

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There's ones for everybody. That's I I didn't know that. I knew that there was lots of stuff going on, but that's that's extensive. Yeah. Now can you talk at all about the history of the civil air patrol? Yeah. So civil air patrol, we were founded 12/01/1941,  

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which was six days before the attacks on Pearl Harbor.   And basically,   what the idea was is for civilians and especially, like, more targeting towards civilian pilots to be able to help, in the war effort. Sure. And a lot of those members ended up being people who weren't qualified for the military. For whatever reason, they couldn't, you know, enlist in the military, so they were able to help with that. So, a big thing that we did was,   coastal patrol.   So, you know, these civilian pilots, they would join and what they would do is they would, you know, patrol the coast looking for German submarines, things like that, you know, making sure everything's okay.   Another thing was target towing. So we would tow targets for,   you know, machine guns and things like that. Really? Yeah. Sounds like dangerous to me. Air to ground or ground air, things like that. So there'd be a guy on the plane and he would literally be targeting tow I I don't know the exact specifics, but I know we helped out with that. Okay. And then also,   the search and rescue,   aspect, that's something we've done consistently.  

So during those first eighteen months of civil air patrol being a thing, obviously, those are all combat missions.   But, you know, after those eighteen months, we strayed away from that and we, you know, formed more into a cadet organization. And over that time, we kind of transformed into what we are today. So there's as a as a cap cadet, you'll you'll never see combat. That was just for those that brief time Yeah. World War two. Yeah. Yeah. I imagine they're not gonna stick you in a Cessna and, you know, throw you over in Afghanistan or something. I can tell you how they actually do utilize our planes  

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for Air Force practice to, like, stadium safety,  

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prior to big events like the Super Bowl. So it's a good topic to do. Yeah. So with us being an auxiliary of the Air Force, we work really closely with them. So with our cap planes, most of them are Cessna one seven twos.   Something a big thing we'll do is, like, during the Super Bowl,   obviously, you have those fighter jets, you know, it's a restricted airspace. So they're patrolling that, making sure nothing's there. And a lot of times, we'll help with practices. We'll, you know, fly up there and act as a plane that's not supposed to be there and those pilots can practice with that. Oh, nice. And we do that for, you know, sporting events, everything. That's just another thing we do because we are, you know, we work close with the Air Force and things like that. Does the Air Force have a a large presence at all? I guess, right path. That would be Yeah. Yeah. And then I was saying that I was like, yeah, dummy. Of course. They have Yeah. They have they have their own squadron there too. Okay. Interesting.  

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So what would you say has been for you the biggest benefit of Civil Air Patrol?  

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For me,   really just the character development and overall the experience.   Because, you know, going into it, I wasn't involved in any other activities,   and that's kinda why I gave it a shot. And I I was a shy kid, things like that. And, you know, I joined and just it it really did   change me, you know.   You know, it it motivated me to start, you know, working out things like that because that's another thing. Public speaking, that's something Yeah. Like, like, I used to not be able to talk in front of three people, and now I've talked in front of, like, a whole, like, gym full of people and things like that. They they don't teach you that in high school anymore because I when I went to high school, we had a class called speech. We had to get up and talk. But do they still do that or no? I don't believe so. No. And that's I mean, public speaking, you're right. It's terrifying, and it's a skill. Yeah. This is an a very big and important thing to learn, and that's like Especially if you wanna lead. Yeah. Yeah. Especially so that's another thing with, like, our character development.   But, yeah, that's probably the biggest thing it's done for me. I've I've gotten to do so many opportunities   and do things that, you know, most adults will never do, you know, in their career, never get the, like,   experience or opportunity to do. It's because just it this truly is just such a great program and just,   like, I I didn't believe it when I first heard about it. I'm like, I can do all this stuff as a teenager. What?  



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It's So what what's some of the coolest stuff that you've done?   So,  

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I mentioned earlier, NISA staffing that that was an amazing time.   A big thing too is encampments. I haven't really talked on that, but that's probably the   biggest, most popular out of squadron thing. And basically what what an encampment is is each wing has one once sometimes twice a year. And it's basically   you go there as a student and it's basically a week long in the like as a cadet you're you're there the whole week people like to compare it to basic military training Okay. Like a boot camp. It's nothing like that. It's   sure you might think that but it's age appropriate.  

A big thing with cap is you know you don't have a drill sergeant yelling no never never you you do have flight surgeons you have flight commanders but it's it's an age appropriate week long training you know they they really do they push you outside your comfort zone but you know everything's with reason   and they they really are you know   extremely,   you know, they they make sure, you know, it's not like a boot camp or anything like that. But that's probably one of my favorite things is I went there as a student and, you know, everyone called me crazy like you really like that. I'm like, you know, it's it's fun, you know, waking up 6AM   going out, running a mile, making your bed, hospital corners, things like that. It's it's a fun experience and it really does push you outside of your comfort zone doing drill out in the heat for hours.  

You know, that's that's something. And then so I I was a student during 2023 and then 2024 and '25,   Ohio Wing Encampment, I was on staff. So Oh, nice. My most recent one, I was so you get to yell at people for not making their bed right.  

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And not not not exactly.  

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Not   exactly.   But,   I was I was a squadron commander.   And, basically, on in terms of the chain of command, my squadron was comprised of four flights about   12 to 16 cadets each, and each had their own flight sergeant and flight commander, and then I was a squadron commander. So Nice. It again, it's crazy. Like, I'm over here a teenager, and I'm in charge of 70 different people including,   you know, eight of those guys being staff and other officers. I'm in charge and I'm directing them throughout the week. Yeah. So it's, again, a big thing with those encampments too is it's not just for the students. It's a huge learning opportunity   for the staff as well. Like, that that experience just that's not something you can get   in everyday life. And, again, it all helps with the preparation   because, you know, as a cadet, a a big thing is leadership, and we will put you in those positions   where you can, you know, be a leader because anyone can go out and read those leadership books and watch YouTube videos on how to be a leader, but it's actually You get a hands on experience. It's always different. Like, anything I've ever tried to learn on YouTube,  

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the minute I start doing it, it's like, oh, this is much different. There's a whole lot of problems that Yeah. You know, Joe Schmo on YouTube didn't tell me about. Yeah. Yeah.   And, you know, I've also heard I don't know if this is I don't know where I heard this,   but I've heard the boot camp like scenarios are actually more stressful for, like, the drill sergeants and the people running them than they are for the cadets because they're just they're always up and they're responsible for all of these people. Whereas if you're just in there, you know, following orders, it's relatively stress free. Yeah. So, again, it's not it's nowhere near what the level of boot camp is.  

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Like, for to become on staff, you have to go through multiple months of training and multiple different classes. Like, these guys are qualified. And, again, it is all age appropriate.   There's a whole, you know, national. So national headquarters has a whole curriculum on, you know, how to conduct an encampment and how wings will do it to make sure it is age appropriate.   But, again, still though for teenagers that that is outside of your, you know, comfort zone. You're away from home for a week. You don't really have contact with your parents.   And, you know, it it it is a change of pace being woken up early and Yeah. Doing physical fitness in the morning. So, but to answer your question, I would say, you know, I I kinda see both sides. It is it is very stressful for staff, especially,   you know, from my experience, having to worry about your your people and things like that and making sure they're getting it through.  

But it is it is equally for me as stressful as a student as well just because of that that change in environment. I was in a fraternity, and this is  

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not necessarily apples to apples comparison. But I was in a fraternity in college, and we would always with the pledges, you'd go through hell week, which again, it's not like, nobody's hazing you like crazy. It's just, you know, you're a little sleep deprived. Mhmm. They're always playing music and stuff like that. And as when you go through it, you're like, oh, man. This is terrible. But then when you're a brother in the house and how it comes, you're like, this is even worse. I'm not getting any sleep, and there's all these, like, stinky pledges in the house, and it's it's just interesting how those   it's difficult in different ways. Yeah. And I also thought it was interesting how you said to be pushed out of your comfort zone. I think that's so important Mhmm. For   boys and girls, but especially for young men Yeah. To be pushed out because I was a bookish young man. And then I started playing football, and it, like, pushed me way outside my comfort zone. You know, I'm on the field hitting people now. Yeah. So it's just invaluable to have something   like that to push you out of your comfort zone. Yeah. And, you know  

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you know, just being in that experience in the moment, it sucks. But, like, looking back on it,   as crazy as it sounds, I would go back two years ago into that exact same position again as a student and and go through all of that again because Yeah. Just the the friends you make, I I met someone from Tennessee wing and I still talk to him regularly. Really? He he lives in Tennessee. I never would have met him if it weren't for Cap, but we we talk regularly. And as a matter of fact, we then both apply to staff,   that encampment that next year, and we both go on staff and got to work with each other too. That's really awesome. Yeah. I did yeah.  



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I I also think it's   at least looking back on my life, the hard things that I've done are always the things I remember fondly.   Like, the easy stuff that I've done, I had probably forgotten it by now, but it's those challenges   that you have to overcome that that really shape you. Certainly. Yeah. So, actually, speaking on that, that was a good segue if I don't say so myself. What are some of the challenges that you faced in in civil air patrol? How'd you overcome them?  

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A lot of it is time management because   with CAP, especially with all that I've taken on and all that I do, it it does take up a lot of time.   So that's another thing that CAP helps great with is that discipline. Mhmm. So that's always been a great challenge for me. Know, I always say before I joined CAP, I was probably,   you know, a good contender for the most lazy person on earth, I'd say.   But I'm still a contender for the most lazy person on earth. But, yeah, after after joining it, it it really did help shape me even though for a while, I was only going to meetings for, you know, two hours a week, just just being in this environment and the structure really does help. But, you know, that that always has been a challenge of that discipline. And then it is,   the the physical challenge and the mental challenge of, you know, when you're in a high position of leadership just   running things. Because again, this is,   you know, not every single teenager is in charge of a bunch of different people that has to consistently run a squadron and things like that. So that's that's a big challenge too.  



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So after   after you graduate   high school and you go on and out in the world,   I guess, how do you do you still stay involved in civil air patrol, or how does that work? So with CAP, it's 12 to 18 to join. Mhmm.  

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But if you join before you're the age of 18, you can, stay a cadet until you're 21.   Okay. So you could still stay a cadet.   We also have senior members. So those are our adult members.   And basically, you just have to be over the age of 18. And, you know, they are just equally involved as the cadets are. And, you know, a lot of them are there to support the cadets.   They all have their own chain of command, things like that, and they they fit into the squadron's chain of command.   So, like, for me, if I were to, you know, graduate and all that and if I do go in the air force, come back from that, I could come back to this very squadron and become a senior member and, you know, help with that side of things. That's pretty cool. Yeah. So,   I how would somebody get involved in Civil Air Patrol? Is it just literally showing up to a meeting? Or So the the biggest thing is just starting. In terms of our squadron, so if you live in the Claremont area and you would like to be a member of our squadron, we will be holding an informational meeting,   September 6. Okay. And basically, what we will be doing is kinda running you through the cadet program because, you know, I could sit here and talk about it all day, but I would not be able to cover everything. It's such a in-depth program.  

And basically, what we do is it's kind of like an onboarding thing. So we get a bunch of we call them the prospective cadets. They're not official members. They come by and we kinda we show you the ropes, show you the basics, everything.   And then by the time you're you've you've finished, you're now an official cadet in the squadron. You've got your uniform.   You've got all that. You know how to do basic drill, things like that. So a great way to start is number one, go to Civil Air Patrol's website, which is, gocivilairpatrol.com.   They've got a lot of information on there, but, you know, we will be here, I believe, one to four. Yep. September 6, 1PM to 4PM here at, Hawk Building. That's at Claremont County Airport, right off Taylor Road. It's kinda like an open house, but you, you know, you get there at the start and, you know,   we'll do a lot of classes and everything and demonstrations   on things. We'll, you know, we have multiple slideshows on all these different topics and actually, like, for example, like, with me being the emergency services officer, I'm gonna be going over a lot of that stuff. I'm gonna be bringing all my gear and showing all the cool stuff, all our cool radios, things like that. So you can come by. Are you in the radio? Are you like a ham radio guy? I don't have my ham license. I do. So within cap, there is, like, our own, like, individual radio qualifications. So I do have that. But radios are a big part, especially with the emergency services.  

So we'll have that here. So, you you know, you can come down and see if you like it. And if you do, you can stick with it, and we'll, you know, we'll we'll introduce you to the program. It is   it you know, from an outsider's view, it can be extremely overwhelming. But, you know, we've we've worked really hard and, you know, have done a lot of planning and making sure this is as easy for not only the cadets, but the parents as well. You know, you can   you're you're gonna come here Saturday, and you're gonna know exactly what you're getting into. So what would you say to somebody, especially like a 12 year old kid  

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who wants to join civil air patrol, but, you know, they come and they see the, you know, the   ABUs.   ABUs. ABUs. Yes.   They see the ABUs   and the drill, and it's it can be intimidating. Like, how what would you say to convince that person to give it a shot?  

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The first thing is I say, just, you know, what do you have to lose? Yeah. Just just go for it. Try it. A a lot that is what a lot of, you know, cadets are like is   they they don't know if this is for them. They again, it's like, it's not we're not boy scouts. We're not like any, like, club. It's, you know, we're I like to call it like the military Boy Scouts. Yeah. We, you know, we have those military,   that chain of command, those customs and courtesies, things like that. So it it can be intimidating, but, you know, it doesn't hurt to just try it out, see if you like it.   And, you know, you as you remember, every single week, you get more and more involved and more and more opportunities.  

And by the time you're even, you know, considering leaving, you're like, I don't wanna leave. Right. There's there's so much. So, again, I just say try it out. It's and there's so many people you can talk to about it. Like, I'm always available that we have people at your at at our squadron staff that you can talk to, things like that. Okay. Cool.  

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I've   kinda run out of questions, but I do wanna give you an opportunity if there's anything I didn't ask because I there's so much about civil air patrol I don't know.  

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If there's something you that I didn't cover that you'd like to. Yeah. A big thing I wanted to cover here is our local impact. Okay. So   some big things we do. Number one is, Lincoln days. So that's, you know, the yearly air show at Lincoln. And again, you know, with us being, you know, related to the air force, you can imagine we're big into the aviation.   So we'll go there and we'll volunteer   to staff it. So what we'll do is, you know, we'll pick up trash. We will direct traffic, direct parking, things like that. Just helping it, you know, making it easier for the people to run it. We'll do a posting of the colors. So,   at each of the mornings, we will have our color guard out there, and they'll present the American flag, the anthem, all that stuff.  

And we will actually have a recruiting booth there too. So   Lincoln Days is the last weekend in August. So we will have coming up. Yeah. We will have a recruiting booth there. I, myself, along with other staff members from squadron will be here. So too, if you wanna talk about it or ask questions, we have flyers, we have little packets, information, you can go and check it out. Mhmm. So we help with that. Another thing we do too is we're we're big on, like, community service.   So we will, we'll participate in the flying pig marathon. We run a fluid station there.   Another thing is Reeds Across America,   and basically Wreaths Across America. It's a nonprofit   organization.  

And what they do is their big thing is, you know, laying wreaths on veterans graves.   And something we do, every single year at Gates Of Heaven Ceremony or sorry. Gates Of Heaven Cemetery   is we will participate in ceremony there. We'll have a color guard. We'll present the colors, and we will,   help lay out the wreaths, things like that. And also, in the months leading up, we will, you know, go out campaigning   and, you know, advertising for people to sponsor a wreath and donate to it.  

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Awesome.   Is there anything else that you wanted to cover? Because like I said, I   I know so little about silverware, but I wanna make sure I didn't see that. I I don't believe so. Do you have anything?   No. I think you did a fantastic job. Awesome. Well, if that's the case and I'll give you,   one last opportunity to plug Civil Air Patrol. Give us your elevator pitch. Why should a young man or woman join Civil Air Patrol? I I think it is  

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it's such an in-depth organization.   It's it's such a great program. I'm surprised it's not as popular as it is. It's it   it truly does, you know, get you opportunities that you won't ever get in life. And, you know,   really, like,   I can I can tell, like, all these cadets, I've been here for three years? And watching these cadets join the program and then seeing them in a year, you can just tell the difference. Like, because something I'm good at is reading people and their, you know, their personalities and characters. And   it's like you can see their development. My my brother, he recently joined. He was the most shy person ever. He cannot talk to anyone and now he's out there. He's, you know, almost gonna be on staff here. He's he's talking to people, things like that. He's learned a bunch, things like that. There's just so much you can do if you're into the aviation,   you know, getting your license, we can,   we have a program called Cadet Wings. You can apply at age 16.  

And if you are accepted, they will pay for your private pilot's license, all the funding for that.   Just again, there's so much you can do in it. It really is worth giving it a shot. If you're in that, you know, age of 12 to 18, I would I would really recommend it. Awesome. Well, listen. I appreciate you sitting down with me, and I'm gonna call this a successful podcast. Thank you for having me. Thank you. Thank you.  

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Well, thank you again to cadet captain   Nadler   for talking with me. I hope you enjoyed the interview. I really enjoyed talking to him. Like I said, he's a very, very impressive young man.   And like I said in the intro, if you are interested in the civil air patrol,   please go to that meeting on, this Saturday from one to four at the, the airport in the Hawk Building, the Claremont County Airport.   It really is a great program, and I think it teaches young men and women a lot of really good life skills,   a lot of really hands on stuff. So if you're interested in that, please check that out, and thank you again to Marco.   So let's get into some events.  

We have yoga in the park on September 6 at 9AM at Sycamore Park.   Like all the other yogas in the parks, it's a gentle outdoor session geared towards adults and teens.   It's beginner friendly, but even if you know what you're doing, it's probably a a good,   nice, relaxing   yoga session.   It is free. There is no registration required,   and programs are held rain or shine unless severe weather is posted. So, you know, there's a tornado, probably no yoga in the park.   And they tell you to bring a mat or a towel and some water.   Oh, you know, I meant to look into this one because I really hope it is what I think it is.  

At the cryptid puppet show   on September 6 from two to 3PM   at the Bethel Branch Library.   It is a family puppet performance with with a playful cryptid theme.   The library notes a cryptid scavenger hunt afterwards with a small prize.   You should check the event listing, and I imagine you can do that on the library website for any registration details.   But it is free.   And I wanted to I wanted to learn more about this because the only time I've ever heard the word cryptid used is is in, like, cryptid zoology, and that would be something   along the lines of, you know, Bigfoots or or the Loveland frogman,   which is another aside. If you're listening to this and you know anybody that knows stuff about the Loveland frogman, let me know. But, you know, kind of those cryptid   refers to,   at least from what I know,   like mythical   weird creatures. So   if that's what this is, that would be a really   a really cool puppet show. I would enjoy that as an adult.  

Anyway, moving on. We have a family movie night in the park, September 6. It starts at dusk,   which is gonna be around 07:30PM   at the Veteran Veterans Memorial Park.   It's a free outdoor movie night hosted by Union Township, and it is perfect for families.   Bring blankets or long chairs, and you get to enjoy a film under the stars. I don't believe they've announced the specific movie that's going to be playing,   but they promise that it will be family friendly. So   you don't need to worry about any crazy r rated films for your for your night out at the park.   We have Puzzle Off, a jigsaw puzzle competition on September 9 at 1PM at the Union Township Library.  

This is a adult program where teams or individuals race to compete identical jigsaw puzzles. It's a friendly competition, and it is completely free to join.   You do need to register through the library, though, if you're interested in this. And all materials,   or pretty much puzzles, those are gonna be provided by the library.   Next up, we have a Senior Cafe Social Hour, September 10, 10:30AM   at the Batavia Branch Library.   It's a 55 plus, 55 years or older   community event at the library,   where you can meet up for coffee, refreshments, and some conversation.   It's a casual monthly gathering.  

It's a chance for you to make some new friends or reconnect with neighbors,   stuff like that. You do not need to register,   so you can just drop in and   have a cup of coffee with some friends.   Next up is Scrap Tire Collection, September   from 8AM to 2PM at the Claremont County Fairgrounds.   This is put on by the Adams Claremont Solid Waste District, so shout out Hannah Lubbers.   They're hosting this. It's an annual event, and you can drop off up to 10 tires per household   at the fairgrounds, and they will get rid of them for you. There are some, in my mind, some pretty nominal fees associated with this.   Disposals for,   $1   disposal fees are $1   per car slash light truck tire,   $10 for semi truck tires,   and $20 for large tractor tires.  

Only personal household tires are accepted, so no commercial or business disposals.   And why this is important, if you're not aware,   scrap tires are terrible for mosquitoes. They collect water and standing water is what mosquitoes love to lay their eggs in. They lay a whole bunch of eggs in these tires, and then you got a whole bunch of mosquitoes. So if you've got some old tires kicking around your house,   take them out to the Clermont County Fairgrounds,   to get rid of them and, you know,   save us some mosquitoes. Nobody likes mosquitoes.   Next up is Wicked Herbs Naturalist Talk. This is September 12 at 10:30AM   at the Miami Township Library. This is an adult educational program at the at the library presented by local naturalist,   Carol Mundy.  

It explores the folklore, history, and dangers of certain herbs and plants.   Pretty much it's an informative session about kind of the poisonous side of your garden. You get to learn how these plants have been used in for poison as as the past, some witchcraft   lore, how to identify them, which would be very important,   and some just fascinating stories behind these plants.   It is a free program and open to the public.   Registration opened in August, but walk ins are welcome if space permits. So if you really want a space in this,   register,   but if you wanna, you know, roll the bones and take a chance, you can walk in if you want.  

So that is all we have for events, which will lead us to another pitch for value for value. We are a value for value podcast,   and that means if you find any value in what we're doing, all we ask is for a little value in return, and that can be in the form of time, talent, or treasure.   For time and talent, let us know what's going on in your community. You know, Molly sent us that note on Facebook. We returned on to what's going on in Milford, and now we've got some good information out,   for everybody to listen to. That's a perfect example of how that's supposed to work. Also, say if there's any audio engineers out there, I could use a little bit of help   kinda refining, I think, some of the   the interview audio. I've been trying to do it myself, but I'm not an audio engineer. So if you were anybody you know out there might be able to help with that, please let me know.  

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Oh, well, I guess I do have something. Some boy named Salvador has been kissing her. So   if anybody knows this guy, let me know.   I'm I'm teasing, of course. They're five. So but she informed   my wife and I last night that,   she gave Salvador a kiss, and we promptly told her that she is far too young to be kissing boys.   I don't know if she listened, though. I'd you know, I thought I had a few more years before I had to worry about something like that.   I guess not. I guess   as a dad,   you just you're always gonna worry about your little girl and stuff like that. So   and   Salvador, I'm sure, is a nice little boy. It's just kindergarten stuff. But, seriously, if anybody knows him, let me know. I gotta keep my eye on this Sal kid.  

Okay.   Well, with all of that,   I really do appreciate you listening.   This is, always a fun show to put on. So thank you very much, and we will see you next time.