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Episode 9 of Let's Talk Clermont. We start with updates on a proposed Ohio Senate bill that would limit cell phone use in schools and talk about Clermont County’s community development survey. Then we head to the New Richmond Farmers Market, where we talk with local vendors about herbal remedies, homemade jams, barbecue rubs, and more. It’s a round-robin of passionate small business owners, local flavor, and meaningful conversations about community and doing what you love. 

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We've been living in sin so long.   All   Welcome. Episode nine of Let's Talk Claremont.   Really appreciate you listening.   We've been doing really well. We've been getting more and more new listeners. So,   thank you for for taking time out of your day, to listen.   If you are new,   the way we do this is we're gonna start with some news,   from either, the state legislature, and then we'll look at some county news, some local news, things like that.   We'll move into our interview, and then we'll wrap it all up with some events going on around around the county.   So with that said, let's let's just jump right in.  

I found an interesting bill in the Ohio senate, senate bill one fifty eight,   and this is gonna force school boards to   adopt a cell phone policy, a student cell phone policy. And this policy   must minimize student phone,   use during school hours.   It's it must reduce classroom distractions,   and it must prohibit all cell phone use during instructional time,   except if the phone is is being used for, you know, learning purposes or to monitor health health issues or something like that.   I really like this. I I think it it seems like it's a good balance between just straight up banning cell phones   in schools,   with, you know, the the recognition that, you know,   phones are good for educational reasons and for health reasons. So,   you know, I don't have kids old enough to really have cell phones, but, you know, when they do,   I don't want I don't want them glued to their phones during school. They should be learning. So I I really like this. I think it's interesting. I think it's already made its way through the senate,   and,   the house will be looking at it pretty soon here.  

Moving on to Clermont County.   The county is holding a development survey.   So they're looking for feedback on housing and community development.   There is a survey you can find on the website, on the Clermont County website, and the URL was   really long and   it was kinda confusing. So   if you just go to the Clermont County website, I'm sure you'll be able to find it.   The deadline for this survey to take the survey is June 1. There's also going to be an in person meeting,   Wednesday, June 4 from 6PM   to 07:30PM.   That's gonna be at the Claremont County Engineer's Office.  

There'll also be a virtual meeting,   Monday, June 9 from 3PM   to 04:30PM.   And you can find the Zoom link,   on on the same,   landing page as you can the survey.   So I I think everybody should should take time to do this. I like I've said before,   development is   is something that I've I've like to focus on and look at   because,   you know, I know the county has to grow and develop, but   I still want it done in the right way. So,   I'll probably be filling out that survey, and you might even find me there at that, in person meeting just to hear hear what they have to say.   Union Township has got a couple things going on. So there was a a notice for a public hearing on the establishment of a new   community authority, which is an NCA, new community authority.  

And so an NCA is as I was looking around, an NCA is a special purpose municipal entity   created to carry out large scale community development programs.   So it's organized by developer petition. It's governed by a board of trustees,   and it's empowered to acquire and improve property and community facilities.   It I don't really know quite honestly, what all that means.   But this public hearing is gonna be on June 10 at 6PM at the Union Township Civic Center.   And when I was looking into this, try to figure out what's actually going on here,   I didn't find a whole lot of really good information.  

So if if you live in Union Township, I,   I personally would make,   would make it a priority to go there and see what they're see what they're up to.   Union Township is also gonna have a new splash pad opening this summer in Clipper Park.   There's gonna there's more information,   is gonna be forthcoming, but,   I think, I think that'll be cool for Union Township.   Those are those are really the things that I found.   Seems pretty quiet.   But,   we do wanna hear from you. Like I've said in previous podcasts,   we're trying to work on a value for value model.   And what that means is if you find value from this podcast,   all that we ask is that you provide a little value,   in return. And that value can look like,   time, talent, or treasure. And like I've said before, if you, you know, in terms of treasure, if you wanna send us some money for doing this, that'd be great. I'm not gonna you know, you can email us, and and we'll figure out how to get that done.  

But,   time and, talent   are probably more important, especially at this point. You know, I wanna know what's going on in your communities.   You know, what are you concerned about? What should I be talking about? You know, what am I doing good? What am I doing bad?   We wanna hear it all. So,   you can get in touch with us. We have a a Facebook page, Let's Talk Claremont podcast. We're also on Instagram,   at let's talk Claremont. So go follow us there.   And you can always email us at info@let'stalkClaremont.com.   That's info@let'stalkClaremont.com.  

So for the interview today, it's kind of an interesting one, I think.   I got a Facebook message from, Tricia Liming,   and she runs the, New Richmond Farmers Market, volunteers to run it. She's doing a great job from what I can tell. And she asked if I wanted to come and, you know, do an do an interview, do a podcast. I said, sure. So I got there and talked to Trisha for a little bit, and then it just kinda turned into a   a round robin of,   interviewing different   vendors. And they're all really interesting people, and they're all doing very, very interesting things.   And some of the so the companies that that we interviewed, there's, Mother Graco. She does,   like, herbal teas and,   balms and salves and things like that. There's Kramer's little homestead.  

She has a lot of,   jams and jellies, and I think she was also selling tomato plants and things like that. The crusty pig,   he does,   barbecue sauces, and he he actually sells them in stores all all around the county. I think if I remember correctly, he's even got, something up north,   in stores up up in Northern Ohio.   The breaded dragon, which I really love that name.   It's a it's a bakery and, you know, he's doing some really good bread.   We talked a lot about he's a bit of a a fantasy nerd, which   is great because I'm also a bit of a fantasy nerd. So we talk we talk a little bit about his bread, but we also talk about,   you know, fantasy books, and and I really enjoyed talking to him. There's We Three Apothecary. That was a funny one.  

His wife is the his wife and daughters run the apothecary,   but I think his wife was a little hesitant to come on. So he came on, and we talked about what they do, but we also talked a lot about hunting.   And after the podcast,   she   she scolded him a little bit and said he needed to talk more about about the business.   And then, the last one we talked to was Marshmallow Daydreams,   and she makes   all kinds of different marshmallows.   I think it looked like she also does,   some jewelry. She's also kind of a bit of a rockhound, specifically fossils, which again, I loved because   I studied geology in,   in college. I I love rocks. I love fossils. We have a lot of people don't know, but Southwest Ohio is one of the best places probably in the world   to get fossils. And if you've ever been to a creek, I'm sure you know that. You know, pick up a rock, and it's jam packed full of fossils. So we obviously talk about our business, but,   we got into fossils a little bit. So,   it's a I had a great time there, and I think we're gonna I I also need to apologize to any of the vendors I didn't get to. I needed to get to a wedding,   later that day, so I had to kinda cut my time short. Otherwise, I would have sat there all day and talked to people. But   we're definitely gonna try to go back, and I'm gonna be in touch with Trisha, and we're gonna try to   try to do this again because I thought it was I thought it was really great.  

So with that, like I said, thank you for listening, and, let's get to the interviews.   Alright.   Let's start with who you are and what you do. Okay. My name is Trisha Climbing.  

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Currently, I'm in in charge of the New Richmond   Farmers Market   down here at River Village Shop in the yard.  

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So, and and you have a booth at River Village Shop. Right? Vendor within River Village Shop. Yeah. So in addition to the farmer's market, you also do antiques? Correct. How did you get in? Because I I do wanna talk about the antique thing. Sure. I always see   antique stores, and I always wonder, one, how do you get into it? And two,   scenes stuff of, like, antique trading and dealing. So can you talk about that? Yeah. I, got involved only because I love it. Yeah.  

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And,   in order to prepare for items in my booth, I get to go shopping.  

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You sound a lot like my wife. So I get to I I  

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go around to thrift stores, auctions, estate sales,   yard sales Yeah.   And gather items. I sometimes craft items   myself, and you just fill your booth. And, yes, it does take some time as far as you're going around shopping as well as   you make your booth presentable Mhmm. Nice. Yeah.   A collection of things,   vignettes, things that go together in order to be pleasing to the eyes if somebody wants to step in and take a look take a look at what you have. Yeah. So how do  

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do you have a background in doing that, or do you just have an eye for I don't have a background that would put me there. I just love it. Did you have any,   I don't want I don't want you to give away any secret spots or anything, but you said, like, yard sales and stuff like that. Are there any places you really like to go to find these things? Not necessarily.  

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I mean, I love auctions and estate sales. Do there's just more there and, usually better pricing. Yeah. And yard sales, they're hit or miss. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I imagine you have to it's like finding gold. Right? You gotta go through a lot of dirt before you find a really good deal. Exactly.   Do you do you specialize in any particular type of it? I tend to in my booth, I tend to have a lot of glassware   or glass and, you know, hall and,   what you know, the milk glass.  

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Milk. I know milk glass. Yeah. And the Fenton and that kind of thing. Yeah. My mom loves it. So my mom actually   it was she doesn't do it much anymore, but she used to do vintage clothing. Oh. And she would I mean, she'd always be thrift stores. Yeah. She had a booth in a place very, very similar to this in Tennessee.   So, I mean, it's   it's really cool. What are some of the coolest things that you found?  

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Oh, I just I love Roseville pottery. That's what I I keep at home. I don't put that in my booth. Yeah. So so you do keep some stuff for yourself? Yeah. Sometimes the stuff stays at my house for a little bit before I decide to sell it, because I usually love what I purchase. It's not you know, you try to pick what other people like, but you tend to like it yourself too.   But,   yeah,   I just the hall pottery is very pretty.   The fencing is always nice.  

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Is there any kind of local glassware or stuff like that that's in antique wise that   the Roseville is local. It is local. Yeah. I I'm sorry. I know next to nothing about glassware. That's fine. I'm not an expert by any means. So it's just kinda whatever you whatever looks nice. Yes. Yes.   Okay. And so you also in addition to your booth here, you run the farmer's market in New Richmond. So how'd you start doing that? Well,  

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the New Richmond has had the farmer's market. It's just been in other locations. It's been at the church further down in the village of New New Richmond. It's been at the park   in the village, and that they were looking for a new place,   since it was at the park. It was kinda crowded down there. Parking was difficult.   And they know that the River Village shop has this yard next to it and thought, would it be possible to use it? And the owners were open to that. Yeah. They were just saying that the person that was running it was interested   in stepping down.  

And so they said they the owners of the village shop said they would ask the vendors if anybody was interested. And so they put it out there as far as,   a  

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volunteer opportunity, and, I was interested, so I stepped up. Is that your food truck? That is. You wanna grab somebody and I'll talk to them? Yes. While you're doing that? Sure. Yeah. Yeah.   We'll take a brief pause.   Come on over.   Have a seat.   I'll tell tell you the same thing I told Trisha. You want the microphone about like that. Okay. Not too close. Not too close. Not too far. Okay. About like that.   I just put some lotion on. Sorry. I have a feeling that's alright. I have a feeling that might be, kinda what you do over there.  

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What? The lotions? Yeah. Yes. It absolutely is. So let's start with just who you are and what you do.   My name is Laura Wallington, and   I love herbs.  

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You know, I'm actually gonna be talking, I think, Friday. Mhmm. Oh, man. I'm gonna forget her name, and this is gonna be embarrassing, but she runs Gracious Farms.  

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Yes. I do not know her. I do not know her, but somebody mentioned her to me the other day. And I'm like, I need to connect with her because Yeah. Local grown herbs are, like, really what I'm all about. Well, so I have this  

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I make mead.   Yeah. And   I'm I'm kind of obsessed with this idea of terroir of, like, you know how in France they have their grapes and they say, well, the land imparts a certain   aspect to the wine and you can't have a Bordeaux anywhere else. I don't know how true that actually is. But so what   I don't I don't wanna I don't wanna jump the gun on my interview on Friday, but what kind of herbs around here do you?  

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Well,   I have foraged,   spice bush from my property, Mullen.   I grow calendula,  

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oregano, sage. Well, I don't know anything about  

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half of those. What what is what is spice bush? Spice bush is,  

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a native to Ohio, which I'm really big on the native to Ohio, which I'm really big on the native to. Yeah, that's why I'm asking. For I'd like to make a mead that   methylogen. It'd be like an herbal mead. Oh, that would be amazing. Actually, spice bush berries would be a What do they taste like? That,  

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they're very,  

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gosh. What's a good word for it?   I mean, is it spicy? It's not hot. Okay. It's more of, like it's got kind of, like, a resiny kinda taste.  

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I don't have the words for it. Well, that's alright. It was when you say resiny, is it like almost like a juniper?  

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Yeah. But not not as strong. Tiny. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And it's really I've only ever had it in a tea,  

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but people cook with it. You can put it on your meat. And that's local to Ohio? Yes. Oh, nice. Yeah. What what other herbs are kind of local to Ohio?  

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Gosh. That are local just here.   Well, I mean, there's all kinds of things that grow natively. I mean, the plantain,   but that's kind of everywhere. Where we have plantains here? Not not plantain like the   Not like the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's it's a green,   herb. There's stuff it's growing here in this grass. There's there's, like, a broad broad leaf plantain   and a long leaf plant plantain,   that you can use. It's edible.   It's also extremely medicinal.   Okay. You can, chew it up or break it up and put it on a cut,   a bee sting, a bug bite. It's calming, soothing, anti inflammatory.  



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And that was plantain? Plantain. Okay. Yeah. And I guess before we could weigh into this because   I feel like I ask you a lot about herbs.   What's what's the name of your business and what does your business look like? Mother Grey Co. Mother Grey Co. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And and do you do you sell, I imagine, just herbal balms?  

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Yeah. So I've got balms, salves,   different,   liniments,   that you can apply to your skin. I sell loose leaf herbal teas Okay. Also.  

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So And, or do you live in Clermont County, I imagine? I do. I live in New Richmond. Okay. You live in New Richmond? Yeah. Mhmm.   How'd you get into that?  

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Because I wanted to improve my health. Mhmm. I was really disappointed with Western allopathic medicine   and how we how we approach health here in America.   And, I knew there had to be a better way,   to get myself healthier.   My other big goal was,   to just reduce toxins in my home. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, you know, plastic reduction   Yeah. Just being as sustainable   as possible. And so, like, those are all key things that I look to promote in my business. So I think a lot more people are doing that. I'm  

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gonna have another interview with a lady,   from Save Your Bees.   They go out and they do   removal. I've heard of them. Yeah. Yeah. She's Oh, man, Patty. I talked to her for four hours on the phone. Did not even a podcast. It was just like Just a couple. Hey, call me and we'll set up the interview. Alright. And four hours later, after talking about all of our I know everything about her now. She's great. That's amazing. But she kinda had a similar a lot of people have very, very similar stories where they have health issues, but they're not particularly   because, you know, we were talking, you go to a doc   and they don't really you know, they don't ask you what you're eating. They don't ask you what your exercise is like. They wanna give you a prescription. They just give you your symptoms and then they give you a script. And Yeah. It's not good. You know, if I have cancer, I'm gonna go to a doctor. But if I have a cold, well, maybe I should try something a little more natural before Yeah. I start putting a bunch of chemicals in my body. That's a % true. And a lot of times,  

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disease can be prevented  

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Yeah. Through living holistically. Yeah. You know, and that's, you know Well, we talked about it because she had health issues and then, you know, she would go to docs and   they give her a bunch of pills. And then she,   through natural remedies, kind of solved her problem. You don't need to take the prescriptions anymore. All the time. Yeah. And my my wife was she got in a car accident, like a very serious she was she got in a car accident. Like like a very serious she was it was a very, very serious car accident. And, you know, we obviously needed doctors because she surgery and things like that. Yes. Yes. But on the back end of that, like she was using essential oils for nerve pain that worked really, really well.   She was using all different kinds of like, natural remedies and a lot of it worked worked really, really well. Yes. And I think a lot of people are waking up to the fact that, you know, I mean,   people have been using these things for thousands of years. I always get baffled   when somebody says   doctor will tell you, like, oh, that's just an herb. That doesn't do anything. It's like, it doesn't do anything. Right. Well, that's where prescription medication  

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comes from herbs. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So but I I call, I mean, even essential oils are they're weaponized plants, you know. So I like my plants all natural and whole. I don't need them weaponized.  

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So yeah. Yeah. No. That's that's absolutely true. So you wild forage. Mhmm.   How do you have any   because my it's probably more for my wife than most people.   How do you get into wild foraging? Because I imagine you have to be kind of careful about it. You absolutely do. Yeah. You need to know your plant a %.  

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It it's good to watch it too. Yeah. Like, go visit visit it throughout the year and make sure that nobody's,   you know, treating it with anything. Like, that's a a big, big thing, and it needs to be coming from a it's safe area. Number one, you're not foraging by the side of the road or, you know, whatever. It needs to be as clean an area as possible and make sure that no chemicals are being applied because then that's kinda counterproductive.  

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Yeah. You don't want a whole bunch of Roundup in your medicinal herbs. Yes. Not a good thing. That's awfully counterproductive.   I've got all these healthy herbs, but they're coated in poison. Right. Exactly.  

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And that's the thing too. Like, if your ground has been treated with that kind of stuff, it's it's tainted for people will say ten.   Some people will say fifty years. Yeah. You know, it's just terrible. We live right, in front of ag fields. Mhmm. And,  

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I mean, it's beautiful. I love living where I live, but every year I see that sprayer come out and I go Mhmm. Oh, no. Yeah. And every time during the summer, because we live, I can't, I'll never remember. I think it's a little Miami.   We live right, we live on the river and there's a creek by us and our little girl   loves going into it. During the summer, I'm like,   right. Maybe we should wait until all the runoff kinda goes through. Right. It's sad. It It's sad what we're doing to our planet. Yeah. I I think it it really is in some way. And, you know, in other ways, if you wanna feed 300,000,000 people Right.   You you kinda have to make   really difficult to produce as much food as we need to without some of the model. Right. Right. Some of the innovations that they're doing in farming,  

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are are pretty exciting,  

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where we're getting away from, like, the older models and, you know Regenerative farming. Yeah. I talked to Sarah Eisen down in Moscow. She runs a regenerative farm down there. Nice. I think it's becoming more and more popular. Right. And I love that they're increasing,   farming in cities as well with the hydroponics and stuff. It's exciting. Really, and this is more on bees, but I did hear somewhere that city bees are actually much more healthy   than country bees. And the reason for that is because in the city, people plant gardens.   They have all kinds of different flowers and different, you know, for bees to Right. Right. Oh, that makes sense. Where if you're out in the country, you've just got, you know, fields of corn and soy.  

There's not a whole lot of option for the bees. Right. Right. No. That makes sense. I found that interesting.   Do you do,   do you are you into urban farming?  

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Well, I live on about an acre. So yeah. I I it's it's interesting to me, but I'm not like a You're not an urban farmer. Yeah. Not not so much. I Yeah. You don't have a bunch of hydroponics growing tomatoes and stuff like that? No. I really I'm very curious about it though. With I'm trying to think of what the term is when they have the fish.  

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Aquaponics. Aquaponics. Aquaponics. Aquaponics. That is so interesting to me. I I there was a guy this was years ago.   I worked in Texas with him,   and he was a bit of a kind of a nut. He was he was he like, he bought tons of silver, and I think he was a prepper. But he had not that there's anything wrong with that. I mean,   listen. I I have my fair share of prepping tendencies. Absolutely. The world's gonna end. We better have a bunch of canned food.   But,   he was into aquaponics, and I think he had setups where he would grow his fish in a tank. Yeah. And then the water would go down through the plants. So the fish would feed the plants and Yeah.   Yeah. That's awesome. You don't really the other thing that Sarah talked about was just a lady somewhere   in the county who will make deals with old quarries   quarry will fill up with water. Right. You'll put paddlefish in them and then they'll harvest the paddlefish for meat and caviar. Oh, I see. So there's somebody in Ohio doing like Ohio caviar. That's amazing. I know, isn't it? That's so cool. You'll have to listen to that episode, not to plug myself on this, but you should listen to that episode. I'll be looking that up. Yeah.  

So what,   how do you how do you make all this stuff? Like what what goes into so you collect your herbs? Mhmm. And then and then what's the processing like? You dry them.  

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When they're properly dried, then I either make tea with them or,   you can with the liniments and stuff,   those are   extracted in in alcohol.   And so those   typically I put fresh plant material into that, for my oils and and stuff that's going in my balms out has to be dried. Mhmm. So basically you're weighing and measuring and put it in a in a jar. I've got a whole closet,   full of Mason jars full of liquid and plant material.  

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Yeah. So and you get in there and you you shake it every day and, I like to infuse mine for about eight weeks. Okay. So and then you strain it out and use it how you will. So Are there different extraction? Because I know there's you can do alcohol and water and there's certain compounds that will come out in each. Right? Yeah. How do you know which to use?   Research. Research. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. I asked that question. I was like, oh, she probably just looks it up with, you know, Google. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I've got lots of books. I listen to a lot of podcasts from other herbalists. What are some of your favorite herbalist podcasts?  

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I like Rosemary Glad Store. I like,   Rosalie.   Oh my gosh. Why? Her name just   Delafohe   is her last name.   I listened to The Herbal Path with, Seija Pappam.   He gets I love his talks about herbal energetics. Yeah. You know What are herbal energetics?   So it's basically like how a plant interacts with the different tissue states of the body. Okay. So there's like hot, cold,  

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wet, dry. What do you mean by that?  

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So hot is like a high energy kind of thing and cold is more,   well, you know,   slow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That sort of thing. Okay. Yeah.  

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Well, you know, I had a question and it escaped me.   Well, we'll move on to something else.   Well, I know.   Favorite medicinal herbs?  

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Thank goodness. Oregano, like a spicy  

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Greek oregano. What's that do for you? It's very antibacterial.  

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Okay. So if you have an infection, you can use it topically,   or take it internally. Okay. Like an antibiotic.   Really? Yeah. Yeah.   If you have a good strong,   oregano tincture,  

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it actually will wreck your gut flora as much as an antibiotic will. Will it really? It you have to be careful with it. Yeah. Because I know when my during that accident, my wife had to take a lot of antibiotics and we specifically put her   on pro and prebiotics.   It's not something you think about. Right. When you take antibiotics. Right. Right. You don't think about that it's gonna wreck all the good bacteria too. Exactly. Yeah. So oregano will do that. It does. Yeah. But that's it's it's powerful stuff. Like, it'll kill that infection. So So what are some of the other,  

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let's see. I like sage as a similar to oregano, but it's a little bit kinder. Yeah. A little more gentle. Won't nuke your gut bacteria. Right.   I really love calendula.   Marshmallow root is,   is one of my favorites taken internally or,   topically. It's super great for your skin.  

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So Can we talk about your teas a little bit? Yeah. Sure. So what kind of tea   which   how do you blend the tea? Like and if well, because this is again, going back to the the meat thing, that's one of the kind of mysteries. It's like, how do I actually  

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blend these things? For me, it's like you have to know what they all taste like, you know, and how are they gonna Yeah. Pair well together.   But then the other big piece for me is, like, how are they gonna work synergistically   to, like,   be   good for me, nourishing for me, you know, because you can throw a bunch of stuff together that, like, tastes really great,   but it's, like, you know, or are you really getting the full benefit Yeah. Of of what you're putting in there. So That makes sense. It's kind of a hit and miss. Like, we sample a lot of of different teas. My daughter probably gets sick of me. I'm like, here, try this. Tea. She's like, it needs more lavender.  

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I love lavender. Me too. I'm a big fan of lavender.   What's your favorite tea that you make?  

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Oh my goodness.   It's a real basic,   chamomile tulsi. It's so so nice. What's tulsi? Tulsi is another name for holy basil. Okay. I've heard of holy basil. Yeah. It's a it's a   probable   adaptogenic  

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herb, they say. It's not a true adaptogenic herb. You might have to you might have to say explain what an adaptogenic herb is. An adaptogenic  

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herb is one that helps your body deal with stress. And it's not just like psychological   stress. It's environmental stress, physiological   stress. If your body,   you know, is stressed for whatever reason, it's it's gonna help your body   deal with all of that. Okay. So That sounds really nice. It is nice. And there's a lot of different adaptogenic   herbs.   Tulsi is not a true adaptogenic, but it's A probable. It's really not. We suspect. Yeah. Yeah. It's got it's got most of the,   the ear markers for being adaptogenic. It's just not they don't consider it a true one. Who  

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who controls that? Like, who would put the stamp on, like, this is adaptogenic? Is it just in literature or something? Or That's actually a good question. I'm not sure. Well Someone smarter than me.   Well, I I think   why don't you plug who you are and what you do. Okay.  

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And then do you wanna just go grab somebody else? Yeah. And we'll bring them over here? Absolutely. Is that cool? Yeah. Alright. Well, it was wonderful talking. It was nice to talk to you too. Thank you so much for having me. You're very welcome. And like I said, plug who you are and what you know. I am Laura Wallington, otherwise known as Mother Gray, and I will sell you all the herby goodness.   I'm I'm talking about Richmond of, farmers market. Yes. Here at the New Richmond Farmers Market every Sunday from eleven to three. Perfect. So thank you so much. Thank you.  

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And we'll take another brief pause while she goes and finds someone else. We'll just do a round robin.   How are you? Good. How are you? I'm very good. Thank you. So we've got some headphones there for you if you wanna put them on. And like I've told everybody, you want the microphone to be about like this. Okay. And then just talk normally. And we'll start with who you are and what you do. I'm Sierra Kramer. Okay. We are from Kramer's Little Homestead, and we make jellies, jams, apple butters,  

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sourdough products Oh, nice.   Hand sewn item   hand sewn items,   and we brought a few plants with us today. We started our own  

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garden vegetable plants this year. Oh, nice. So so like a nursery? Yeah. Nice. What kind of, plants do you have? This year, we have  

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a few jalapeno plants left. Nice. There's a couple sweet bell peppers   and some,   sandwich tomatoes. Okay. Not tomatoes, but tomato plants. Okay. Not Yeah.  

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What kind of what, what varietal of tomato? I know you said sandwich tomatoes, but I think beef jerks. German Johnson over there. I have,  

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Crimson Cushion   and then, Mark Loeb. Okay. Do you like tomatoes? Or Yeah. We usually use our tomatoes personally for sauce. We make a lot of pasta, pizza sauce, ketchup. Nice. We like to can things. Nice. Yeah. So how did you get into to the the jams and jellies? How'd you start all this?   Really,   my   grandma, honestly.   When I was a kid, I had a large garden with my mom and grandma,   and they used to crack beans and can every single summer. We'd sit out, and we'd do it all together, and  

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it makes me a little emotional talking about it. Oh, that's a lot. Listen. You wouldn't be the first person to cry on this.   It's not like I purposely try to make people cry. But it just brings it out of you. Yeah. I'm starting to think it might be me.  

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Yeah. But,   it just   I guess I have, like, a deep rooted passion, you could say, for   all things old Yeah. Canning,   preserving.   My husband, we got married in 02/2017,   and he's been the same way. Yep.  

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He feels the same way. So Well, my wife and I my wife cans a lot. Yeah. Can you talk about canning a little bit? Yeah. Absolutely.  

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What what do you want me to talk about? Well,  

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how about you to start with the basics?  

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So, basically,   everything   that I have with me is water bath canned. Okay.   You have to make sure that all of your jars are sanitized. We sanitize everything,   with hot water vinegar,   sanitize all our rings and lids.   All of our jellies and jams, we cook from scratch. We have our own recipes.   And then we water bath everything   on stovetop.  

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Sometimes we do it outside. We have outdoor burners, and we can do it outside. So you do, like, large batches? Yeah. We we do large large batches. I tell the story. My wife was making a apple pie in a jar Yeah. Jam.   Starts making it. And she looks at me and she goes, I think I need 25 pounds of sugar.   I said, what do you need 25 pounds of sugar for? And I had to go out to the store and like come home with all these giant things of sugar.  

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Yeah. Right now, as we speak, there is a 25 pound bag of sugar in in my pantry   that is the remnants of the   75 pounds of sugar that we've used. So you've used 50 pounds of sugar? We've used 50 pounds of sugar, and it seems like a ton of sugar. But when you compare the sugar to all the other   crazy ingredients that they're putting in your food Yeah. You know, it it really is  

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not a uneven trick. And nobody wants a a an unsweet jam. Yeah. Exactly.   If if I bought a jam from you and it's bitter Yeah. You'd probably be like, I remember this this is this is jam. What is this? Exactly. Exactly.   So can you talk about the difference between,  

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pressure canning and water bathing? So, usually when you pressure can, you're canning something that doesn't,   already have acidity in it. Okay. Something, that you're gonna add acidity to, such as green beans or,   squash,   stuff like that. That   stuff that,   kinda has to be   cooked at a higher temperature Yeah.   To take out those   potential bacterias. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that way, it it's just   basically, everything you do when you can, the timing, the temperature,   the height, everything is to ensure that you don't end up with something called botulism. Yeah. And, basically, that happens when you put it on the shelf,   how long it stays on the shelf. If it doesn't seal right, it'll just get a bad bacteria in it, and then that could hurt you. Yeah. I I know when my wife started canning, I was a little  

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leery about it. Mhmm. I mean, we I mean, and now I'm drinking raw milk. Right. So it's Right. I've come a long way. Yeah.   And it's just from the stuff that people tell you. Yeah. And people have been doing this stuff for hundreds of years. Yeah.   Oh, I'm losing my train of thought all day today.   But I I do wanna ask you about,   the jams. Yeah. What what kind of jams do you have? What are your favorites?  

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So I have today with me strawberry,   blackberry, and then I also brought apple butter today. Okay.   My personal favorite is the strawberry. Okay. I love the apple butter, though.   But   but the strawberry is my favorite. And, actually, this year, we were blessed,   by someone actually in our community Mhmm. Was giving away strawberry plants, and we actually used our own strawberries   this year to make these batches that we brought with us today. Are strawberries fickle? I I I hear they're kinda hard to grow. They're fickle if   you mess with them. Yeah. Because I was thinking, oh my gosh. These strawberries need more light. And then I started picking leaves off, and I killed a plant.  

So don't do that. Don't don't mess with your strawberries. Mess with your strawberries. Just let them be. Yeah. They just wanna be wild and free   and put roots down wherever   they're just like all of us. They wanna put roots down wherever they can.   And then the blackberries, actually, my uncle   started a patch a few years ago. Actually, both my uncles. I have two different uncles.   And last year, we,   used one uncle's fresh blackberries. We picked his whole patch, and we made, all of our blackberry jam from that. This year, my other   uncle said it was the sweetest thing. We went over a couple weeks ago. My husband was pouring concrete with him, and he said,   I saved you   gallons of blackberries last year in the freezer   so you would have blackberries at the beginning of the season. I was like, you are ridiculous, and I just love you. That's really awesome. But it it it's been a blessing to have those people in our lives. And and   I saw today that one of the other,   vendors actually has strawberries. So I'm hoping to get some of those before he sells out. So we'll have some from there. But there's plenty of local farmers. That's usually where we end up getting all of our So you do get Right. Produce from local As much as we can, we get locally. I imagine it can be tough, especially for something like blackberries. Yeah. I can't imagine there's a lot of blackberries farmers around here. We do If you wanted to make soy jelly, then that would probably Yeah. That that would probably be Yeah. You'd find tons of people that sell you soy. Yeah. But we try to do everything as locally as we can. And if we can't do that, then we do everything as organically as we can. Are there any produce,  

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I guess, farmers would be the word for it around here that are open to the public that people can go and get produce from? There is. Actually, there's a place called  

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Blue Barn Farms Okay. In Bethel right now that I know of that is selling at very least, they're selling gobs of strawberries. Really? They were advertising on Facebook the other day. It's actually one of my, good friend's,   brother in law's. Okay. And they they were selling and they were actually discounting their strawberries because they couldn't move them as fast as they wanted to. What's the name of that? Blue Barn Farms. Blue Barn Farms. Okay. I'll have to look them up. Yeah. Because I'm assuming the strawberries are Yeah. It it's right off the Airport Road. And, I mean, if they still have them left, they were selling a bunch of them. Yeah. Mhmm. No. I  

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because you get strawberries from the grocery store Mhmm. And they're, like, the size of your fist. Yeah. I imagine these aren't, though. No. Okay. No. Because, you know, you  

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you don't really know when people what people expect because they expect grocery store produce. Yeah. And then if they go there and they see, like, little tiny strawberries, I'm like, what is this? Yeah. They're gonna be your average size strawberry, but they are gonna have the flavor that you just cannot Yeah. You cannot beat. I mean, a strawberry from the grocery store may be huge. And if you leave it in the fridge for a couple days, you might get a good good flavor from it. But   the thing about it is that a fresh strawberry,   as soon as it ripens,   is just gonna be packed with so much more flavor. Yeah. You're not gonna ever be able to Well, not only that, but the strawberries you get from the grocery store, like, you know, who knows Yeah. How long it's taken them to get there. Yep. Right? There's a reason that they stay fresh on the shelf as long as they do. Right. And that  

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reason, you know I had I was   I'm terrible with names, and I've already mother gray, I think, is what she said some people call her. So I'll remember that.   I'm losing my train of thought all day today. I'm I'm not being a very good podcast. That's okay.   I can't remember what I was talking about.   So if somebody wanted to make a jam Uh-huh. How would they start? Okay. So, you got your berries. I usually start by putting mine in,  

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I always use stainless steel. You always use a stainless steel pot. If you use metal, it could affect the way that your jam because it's it's acidic. Right? Yes. It's acidic. So it could affect that metal could affect the way that it sets up. Okay. And,   so I start with my berries. I put them in. I start to cook them down. Then I add my sugar, and then I add my lemon juice, and then whatever other ingredients I decide for my recipe.   And then I do add pectin to my jam Okay. Because That helps it set. It helps it set.   Not all fruit is gonna set as good as the other. So the pectin just ensures that it's set in some way. Yeah.  

And most people,  

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And that's pectin is   I was telling mother gray. I hope she doesn't mind me calling her that. Yeah.   I make mead and if you do a fruit mead Mhmm. Pectin is your enemy. Yeah. If you wanna get rid of the pectin. So when you say you add pectin, it's not like fruit doesn't already have pectin. Fruit already has pectin. You're just basically  

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using a man made pectin. Right. And you can, I believe, get, like,   organic pectin that they've drawn from actual fruit? It's just   I don't know where you could get that. But if you wanted to go all the way, you know, as organically as possible, that is completely But it's  

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it's a balance. Right? It is. It's a balance. Getting local fruit Yeah. If you want it to set up nice because you don't want somebody to get, like, a thin jam. Yeah. So you know? Yeah. And it it's not anything that  

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No. Without getting into,   crazy,  

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like, talking about, I mean, we can get into crazy I know. Without being crazy. Yeah. If you wanna get crazy, we can get crazy. We shouldn't.  

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We don't have that much time. You have other people to talk to.   But, yeah,   without getting crazy, just being able to buy, you know, local stuff that's fresh made by Yeah. Local people   is just better, I feel like, than Well, I I  

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can't remember if I was telling you this, but I talked to Sarah Eisen in Moscow, which she runs a regenerative farm. Mhmm.   And we were talking about, you know, I've got two kids and another one on the way. Mhmm. We try to eat as clean as we can. But it's, you know, if I'm driving her home from dance at 07:00 at night, I'm sorry. I'm just gonna have to get McDonald's and call it a day. Yeah. We all we all do it. You know, we all do it. Yeah. But, I mean, as long as you're trying, you can't beat yourself up about it. Well, I think my wife will beat herself up about it a lot because she goes on Instagram. Yeah. And she sees all these, you know, like crunchy moms and all like, you know, making fruit snacks and dehydrating   fruit leather. Yeah. I'm like, Katie,   I don't know who those people are. But they're not. Where they find that time,   but that we don't have time Yeah. For that. Like, that is an unrealistic goal. And, you know,  

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social media is just I love social media. I'm not I'm not being against social media. For business. It's it's great for this podcast. I'm sure it's great for your business. Love podcasts. I I have Facebook. I have Instagram. I have TikTok for the Kramer's Little Homestead. Yeah. Yeah. We advertise, like, very heavily on those things,   but some people   advertise only what they want you to see. Yeah. You know, we try to advertise the good, the bad, and the ugly. You know? Right. You you can't just advertise   what  

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you want people to see. Well, as a small business, which one of those platforms have you found to be most successful?  

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Honestly,   I prefer Facebook.   I try to use,   TikTok a lot, but I'm just not very tech savvy. My husband is the tech guy. I'll be honest.   If anything   goes wrong, I'm like, hey.   I don't know what I'm doing. You know? My wife and I have a very similar salary. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure what I'm doing, but   look. I did this. Can you put it on this? Yeah.   Yeah. I I'm you know, I I do know how to make phone calls, though. That's good.   And and,   I actually recently have been making phone calls. And,   along with the New Richmond Farmers Market, we'll also be, the Kramer's Little Homestead will also be at the Bethel's Farmers Market this year on Fridays   nights. And then   this year and we are so excited about this one. We got a booth at the Antique Machinery Show in Georgetown, Ohio.  



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The antique mess is that a big I've never even heard of this. Big event in Georgetown, Ohio  

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every year in August. Yeah.   We are so excited.   I I honestly cannot even believe that it happened. Is it tough to get a booth there? It is very tough to get a booth there. It is very tough.  

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We never I didn't talk any  

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actually, I think someone dropped out, and we ended up Nice. Either that or they added more spots because she called me, and it was almost, you know, a month and a half, two months Yeah. Before we got a callback. But we got the call on Friday, and I have never been more excited. That's awesome. Congratulations.   Thank you so much. Yeah. Sounds like things are going really well for you. Yeah. I mean, it honestly,   it's been a blessing this year. Yeah. This year is  

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ramping up to be something exciting. Well, that's I feel like whenever you start something like what you're doing. Mhmm. You know, it it's tiny and incremental and it feels like nothing's happening. Mhmm. And then it's just that one little thing and then you're off to the races. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. It's I think it's really about just having   the strength and and perseverance   to push through those tough times.  

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And, I mean, you know,   I know not everybody believes in the same thing, but, you know, we've been putting our faith into it. And   the other day, I was just talking to   him about growth, and I feel like it's not just about the   things that we're planting in the ground. It's the things that we're planting into ourselves. Yeah. And   they're just taking off. Yeah. We're  

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we're just taking off and it's crazy. I've talked to a lot of people who   talk about putting their faith, like merging faith in business.   And everybody I've talked to that does that. It   seems to be extremely successful. Absolutely. And if not extremely successful, then at least I   think it's I think it's tough to do   because   faith is tough. It is. It's not easy.  

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But if you can merge that with your life in in fruitful ways, things just seem to work out well. I totally agree. Yeah. Some people expect to put a prayer on the pillow and wake up the next morning with with results, and Yeah. It does not always happen that way. But Well and it's  

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yeah,   I've talked about this plenty of times, but my wife and I are Catholic, but we   we really try to incorporate that in our lives. And every time we're doing that, every time we're aligned with our faith and what we're doing in in our marriage and our business and whatever we're trying to do, things are just better. Yeah. Like our children are happier, we're happier. Absolutely. Our projects are more successful. Absolutely. And it's just, and   I mean, I know what it is, but it's just, it's just,   it's not always easy, you know, but it's that faith that gives you the strength to keep going through the hard times. If you know   that   God is pointing you in that direction. Absolutely. I completely agree. Yeah.  

Well, why don't you   who you are, what you do, where people can find you. Okay. And then go grab somebody else. It's like kindergarten. Yeah. Alright.  

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This is Sierra Kramer from Kramer's Little Homestead, and   you can find us on Facebook,   TikTok, and Instagram.  

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Perfect. Thank you. And we'll take a pause while Sarah goes and finds somebody else.   And thank you so much. Thank you.   Well, see, that's the trick. When you sit down with me, I'll pull it all out of you. That's my job. How are you? Yeah. How are you? I'm very good. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. And   just like everybody else oh, here. We'll get the headphones on. Get the headphones on. Yep. Make sure you can hear me.   Sound good? Yep. Perfect.   Let's start with who you are and what you do. My name Oh, wait. I'm sorry, but I'm I don't mean to interrupt you. You want the microphone to be kinda kinda like this, so you might wanna scoot up a little bit   so we can get you on there.  

That should be yeah. That should be good. We'll start with who you are and what you do. My name is, John O'Quinn. I am the owner of the Krusty Pig. Nice. I do,  

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wood smoked barbecue, barbecue sauces, and rubs. Okay. So you actually barbecue pork or you just make the rubs and spices? Right right now my business is focused on the,  

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barbecue sauces and rubs. Okay. Do you personally barbecue, I imagine? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I do. Yeah.  

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And that and that's how what I have came to fruition is just my recipes that I've developed over the years.  

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Experimentation with for Absolutely.   Yes. So what kind of,  

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what kind of spices and stuff? I have a Without giving away any secrets. No, no, no. I can just tell you. I got a a pork and chicken rub that is, low in, no sugar, no salt. Mhmm. And that is basically it's a paprika and cayenne pepper based rub. Okay. So is it a little spicier? It it does have some heat. Okay. And it gets more aggressive the heavier handed you are with it. Yeah.   Then I have what I call beef rub. Okay.   That is black pepper based. Okay. And even though I call it a beef rub, it works on any protein, but it really excels on beef. Okay. And then I have a sweet barbecue sauce Alright. Which is everything that you're looking for in a barbecue sauce. It's ooey, gooey, sticky, and sweet.  

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It's the one you just slather on a rack of ribs. Absolutely.  

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Yeah. And then I have a spicy mustard sauce. Okay. And that one is,   low in sugar and low in carbs. So how long have you been? How did you get into just barbecuing in general? I've been doing it since Or you just like meat? Yeah, I've been I've been doing it since, you know, since   in my early twenties. Yeah. You know? What kind of smoker do you have? I have a, offset well, a reverse flow stick burner. Okay. I don't know what that means. Well, if you're familiar with I know I'm using my hand gestures. Oh, that's fine. Are you familiar with what an offset is?   I have zero knowledge of barbecue. An offset smoker. I have wood, smoke box over here. Okay.  

The smoke stack over here. Okay. A reverse flow has a tuning plate in it. Okay. And then the smoke runs underneath it and the smoke stacks on the same side as the smoke box. So it runs under the food then over the food then out. Okay. And what what's the advantage of that overall? It gives you an even even more even cooking surface. Okay. Is it a particular brand of smoker or it it is, it's made locally by a guy in Hamilton,   Hamilton,   Okay. It's, Whitewater Smokers. Okay. And   did you get that one particularly because of the reverse? Well, I imagine not all. Yeah. Yeah. Like your Traeger is not gonna be like that. No. Yeah. Yeah. They're they're all different. It depends on what you're familiar with cooking on. Okay. In in what you like. And then like I said, it gives you more even temperature from side to side. On even temperatures.  

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I mean, that's It's kinda key. Yeah. That's really I was just at the gym   and the guys were talking about smoking. He said, you know, right in the middle of my smoker, it's like 25 degrees hotter than the outside. Yes. And he asked that he we were trying to figure how would you actually deal with that? You have to know where your hot spots are. Yeah. How would you find that out? We do what, you could do what you call is a biscuit test. Okay. You take a a tube of biscuits, pop them open, put them in all different places of your smoker Sure. Sure. And then see which ones get done faster and sooner as long as you're holding an even temperature. So if my smoker's got a hot spot, well,  

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how do I accommodate for that? Do I just kind of You things where they You can use that to your advantage for things that require higher heat like chicken in your, like pork loin or a tenderloin, something that you wanna cook, you know, you know, a little bit faster. Yep. You put those items there.   Your briskets and your pork butts, you might wanna keep more on the cooler side. Okay. And if you're doing   a wrap, once you get them wrapped Okay. You can put them on the hotter side and help finish and push through stall and get done faster. Okay. So there are ways to it's not  

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terrible to have a hotspot. You just don't know where it is. You have to know yeah. You have to know your smoker. Okay. So if somebody was just like myself who knows absolutely nothing about smoking, where's a good place to start?  

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Internet is, full of a lot of good information.  

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That is a full of a lot of bad information too? That too. Yes. And, honestly, it is. And and, unfortunately, sometimes you gotta pick through that and some of it's trial and error. So are there any good resources that you found online that that you recommend, like, hey, if you wanna start smoking, listen to this guy?  

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YouTube. I mean, you can always go to people like Malcolm Reed,   Heath Riles,   Myron Mixon. Okay. People like that that are Those are guys you trust. Yeah. Those are guys that have been have been doing it, and they've been doing it on a competition level. Okay. And you, you know,   what I've always said is you find what works for you. Yeah. What works for you doesn't work for me and vice and vice versa. And so some of it's trial and error. When   you get into it, I would say if you have a process and it's it's not a bad idea to write down Yeah. What you're doing. Yeah. And then if you're gonna change that process, you change one thing at a time. Yep. Because if you change five things and it's a home run Yeah. And you don't know what you've done. You don't know which one it was. I've done that because I'd I'll do things like I've made I make meat, I make bread, stuff like that. Mhmm. And  

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what I found once I started documenting everything that I did Right. And changing things, not only does it get repeatable, but it gets better. Right. And I think that's I think that's actually the number one thing when people get into a hobby   when they make things like barbecue Right. Or or mead, whatever.   They don't write it down. Yeah. And then, actually, my father-in-law, who always gripes about this. He got in this big pickle making phase, and he made, like, the perfect pickle. He has no idea how to do it again, though.  

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He'll he'll always gripe about it. He's like, I was never able to repeat it. Well, John, did you write it down? And and that was the thing. When I first started, like, with my, my sweet sauce was the first one that I really   honed in on.   And,   I I didn't have a recipe. Yeah. So I would make it, and every time it was just a little bit different. Yeah.   Everything exactly the same, it's always just a little bit different. It's always just a little bit different. So as I progressed and started to get in a thought that, you know, I would like to try and market this to the public. Yeah.   Recipe. Yeah. You know, and so then it then it becomes consistent. Right. And then once you, you know, then it's  

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it's it's the same every single time. Yeah. And when you say write things down, I mean, literally. Literally. Everything. Everything. Like times  

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and amounts, everything. Cook times, measurements, you know, if you either you do it by cups or weight or however you do it. Yeah. Just be consistent with it. My mom bakes a lot  

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and she bakes bread and stuff. That's actually how I started baking bread. I bake bread with my mom. But she's,   what's the right word for it?   Not a very organized baker. Okay.   So it's kind of   like managed chaos whenever she bakes them. She's really good with pies. She's actually won some competitions in Tennessee. But I told her, I was like, Ma, you gotta start writing stuff down because she'll make a pie. And do the same thing. Like, I have no idea how I did that work. Write it down. Right. You just Right. You just won this county fair in Tennessee and you have no idea how to do it again. That's terrible. Yeah. You won't be able to duplicate it. Yeah. And so she started doing it and she's like, you know, you were right. I'm like, I know I'm right. Why don't people think I'm right? Right.   So,   how you talked about marketing your business. Yes. And I talked to Sarah a little bit about this. How have you what have you found success in marketing? Where where's your success been for a small business?  



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Showing up at events like this. Yeah.   I do,   some markets here locally,  

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with the mustard seed market. Yeah, Yeah, I actually have an inter I interviewed Sarah. Okay.  

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So we just had the spring market.   The next one is June   in Hillsborough Yep. Highland County Fairgrounds. So I'll be out there as well. So you get into   events like that. That helps. And then you just start going out and talking to people at events like this. And, they get to,   they they try your stuff and they come back. And   few stores around town.   There's a handful of stores that carry them, you know, and,   with the website. Or can what stores can you find your stuff in?  

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Bethel Feed and Supply. Okay. Yeah. I know that. The Ohio Barbecue Store in Anderson Township. I've heard of that. Yeah. Lear's Prime Market in Milford. Oh, you're in Lear's? Yes, sir. That's congratulations   on that. That's Thank you. That's a good market. Yeah.  

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Holdsman's Meat in Montgomery on Montgomery Avenue. It's a butcher shop. I think I know that. I'm not sure if I know that one, but Okay.  

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Hyde Park Fine Meats and Seafood. I got a steak from Hyde Park,   like, years back. It was Okay. Wonderful steak.   Okay. I'm not familiar with them, but but that's that's really impressive that you're that you've got yourself in that many stores. Well, and and it's just a matter of going to people and saying here. Yeah. Yeah. See what you think. Yeah.  

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And, you know, then they contact me back, and then I have another store in Toledo, Ohio. Oh, nice. Sauders. So you're statewide?  

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Well,  

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you know. Yeah. Take your wins where you get them. Yeah. Yeah. I I do and I do travel to Toledo, and I do markets up that way as well. Okay.   And, as a matter of fact, I'm going, next weekend to a farmer's market in Perrysburg, Ohio. Okay. And then, there's another,   Toledo night market  

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July that I'll be doing. Okay. So, you know, you and I was talking to the previous,   person, Sarah, about, you know, social media and stuff like that. But I think the other equation that a lot of I think people can easily follow, especially small businesses, can fall into the trap of,   completely forgetting that there's a whole person side Right. To business. Right. Like it's about the relationships that you have with the people that you meet and that's how you get yourself into like stores and Yeah. In the farmers markets and things like this. What, and the farmers markets and things like this. What, what,   What real quick before I I let you go. What did you do before this? I imagine this wasn't your No. Actually profession all your life. No. I actually worked for a machine tool company. Okay.  



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And I got laid off two times. Okay. And it was after the second layoff, I said I'm done with corporate America. Yeah. And I started I started out as a mobile barbecue business. Okay.   Excuse me. I had, I'd I'd pull everything on a trailer,   because I didn't have refrigeration, so I had to cook everything on-site. Yeah. So I'd pull up to the breweries earlier in the day and I'd start cooking. By the time they opened, I had food ready. Yeah. And,   I started that way. And the goal was always to get the sauces and rubs out to market and and do that. Because I imagine that's probably a better moneymaker than Well, it you know what? There and this is the thing about barbecue people that there there's a lot of work and low profit. Yeah.  

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Just the way that it is. Yeah. You know, you're out there smoking something for eight, ten, twelve, fourteen hours. Imagine your margins. And and then if nobody shows up and buys anything. You've just got your 20 pounds of pork.   Stuff. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So has that happened to you? It has. Oh, man. Especially. Or you're just eating pork for like a month. Especially when,  

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it'd be in it because I'd set up a tent just like this. Yeah. And so I'm an outdoor there's so when it rained. Oh, no. Everyone would stand inside the bar and look at the idiot holding on to the canopy so it wouldn't pull away,   and they wouldn't come out and buy nothing. Yeah. Yeah.  

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He's sitting there waving in the middle of the store. It's just  

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So you you took those,   you know, you took those losses with the good days. And it's just the way that it went. You know, you talk about rain and events. I used to,  

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run marketing for an event in Middletown called Balloon Festival. Okay. I don't know if you're familiar with it, but   again, it's weather dependent, right? So if it's raining Oh, yeah. We have lots of different stuff there, but if it's raining, nobody really shows up to an outdoor event. Right. There was one year where it was raining, and I finally gotten channel two news to come out and do a spot   in the middle of the rain. So it's me   on channel two news   telling everybody   about, like, it was pouring down rain behind me. Yeah. I'm like, hey. It's a great event. I know it's raining right now, but please come.   Hardest thing I've ever had to sell in my life was to come to this event that's raining. Yep. And here I am on on channel two news in Dayton.  

Telling people to do that. Yep. Oh, it was a nightmare. It was absolutely happening. And like I said, you'd spend all that time preparing  

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rain hit, everyone, like I said, would stand inside and Yeah. You know, look at that guy. Just sipping their beers. Yeah, exactly.   So,   you know, but in with that,   we got a website. Okay. You can order on website. Okay. That's the www.thekrustypig.com.  

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But, yeah, in between all that How'd you come up with that name? That's a great name. The Krusty Pig? Yeah. I spent I spent  

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a lot of time looking online Yeah. For names that didn't exist. Yeah.   And then   I can't I I see I got stuck there because you look at it, it's it's it's a play on the bark. Yeah. Yeah. So you get a little crust Yeah. Bark Yeah. Yeah. Crusty pig, and it just kinda stuck there. I mean, it's a it's a great name. Yeah. I I I tried,   several, you know, different variations, but you always found somebody out there Yeah. That was somewhere. And so I was trying try to get a web address, and it's like, oh, I Exactly. Do some goofy thing to Right. You know? So, the yeah. I I landed on that, and I I kept coming back to it. I'd write other things down and I'm like,  

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It's the one that sticks in your brain that's That's it right there. You know, your gut tells you to do a lot of things. Right. When something like that is just Yeah. You know, lodged in your brain. Right. That's the one you gotta do. So, I mean, I had I had one because my last name being O'Quinn,  

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I was gonna call it Big O's Barbecue.   Okay. Then somebody stopped me from doing that because Oscar Robinson. He was known as the Big O. Yeah, yeah. The jazz penis.   The jazz penis. Oh, no, no, no, I'm sorry, John. Yeah. I don't know anything about basketball. I know a few things about jazz, though. That's why it went that way. But it, they said, you know, you might wanna stay around away from that, especially in Cincinnati because that's where he was known as. So I put that to the side and like I said, you keep working and you get   that one or two and   but the crusty pig, it just kept It kept coming back. And it just to me, it made sense. And  

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We know if it makes that's the other thing, like, especially when it comes to naming or anything with marketing. Like, if it makes sense to you Right. Like, you're a unique person, but you're not that unique.   You know? Other people, it will resonate with other people if it resonates with you. Yep. You know?  

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So yeah. And then, the guy that, designed my labels did a good job with it.   So Is he a local guy? He is everything   that is done with my sauce is all in Ohio. Okay. So my designer is in Portsmouth, Ohio. Okay.   The co packer is in Wheelersburg, Ohio. Okay.   And they got me here in Bethel, Ohio. You see, you've got a tour of Ohio for your for your barbecue sauce. Pretty much, yes.  

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That's awesome.   Well, why don't we, why don't you go ahead and unplug everything that you do and where people can find you? Okay. And then I'll send you off to find somebody else. Alright. That works.  

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Again,   small batch barbecue sauces and rubs. You can find us on the website,   www.crustypig.com,   Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.   You want me to go through the stores again? Yeah. Yes, please. Yeah. Alright. You can find our products in Bethel Feed and Supply in Bethel, Ohio.   The Ohio barbecue store in Anderson Township,   Leers Prime Market in Milford, Ohio,   Holzman's Meats on Montgomery Road.   Castle Meats in Lebanon.  

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Awesome. Well, thank you so much. Hey, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. I enjoyed it. Yeah. Thank you. You too. And like I said, just, go grab whoever. We'll go get the next one. Yeah. Alright. Thanks a lot. Thank you.   And we'll, again, take a brief pause.   There. Oh, thank you. I love the   pets. No. This is perfect.   Thank you so much. You're welcome. Have a good day. You too.   How you doing? Doing alright. How are you? Good. Patrick. Victor.   Nice to meet you. Yeah.   You got your headphones here. And like I've told everybody, you want the microphone to be about like that.   So we'll start with who you are and what you do. Alright. I'm,  

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my name is Victor. I am the   owner and baker for the breaded dragon, which is   a kind of like a home baking,   home bakery business. Sure. So sourdoughs, cookies,   all that kind of fun stuff.  

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What kind of what kind of breads? I I like I like making sourdough myself. So Okay. Nice. What kind of breads do you have? So today, right now, I've got my sourdough sandwich bread. I also do  

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cinnamon raisin sourdough. I've got jalapeno cheddar. That's a really popular one. Yeah.   I have a new one right now that's, a pesto sourdough.   That sounds good. Yeah. It's it's I basically just, like, make some, like, pesto into, like, the sourdough bread. Yeah. Yeah. Makes good for good, like, Italian sandwiches. It doesn't really? Yeah. Well, Well, I mean, I guess it would make sense with the pesto.  

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How do you do your sandwich bread?   So So I imagine the crumb is real tight.  

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Yeah. It's in like, it's sourdough, so it's gonna be a little bit tense. I I just do, like, a basic, like, stretch and fold over, like, a couple of hours, you know, mix everything. In, like, a Pullman tin or something?   No. Not, yes, actually. Okay. Just had a little bit of a I'm like, that's that's a phrase I haven't heard in a while. I'm sorry. I should warn you. I'm a bit of a bread nerd. I love that. Thank you.   Yeah. It's it's been a few years since I've been in, like, pastry school, so I'm like, woah. People know the words. Yeah. I do. Thank you. Yeah. You're welcome.   Yeah. So I have yeah. I have basically, like, some Pullman tins that I use,   because my dad has a part time job at Lake Crusade, so I've got the hookup. Oh, nice. Yeah. You oh, man. Do you get Lake Crusade stuff?  



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Every now and then. Does it fall off a truck or something like that?  

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That would be great. Yeah. That that would be man. Yeah. And every once in a while, he's just like, oh, I'm, you know, I'm doing well in sales and they're giving me free stuff, but I don't bake. So there you go. There you go. Hey. Thanks. Thanks, dad.   So you say you do sourdoughs. Yes. How do you in your home baker Yeah. What kind of oven do you have? Just your standard run-in the middle oven right now. I'm I'm working out of a basic conventional oven. So what's what's your trick for the crust? Because I know there's tons of, like, do it in a a Steam usually. For my sourdough bread, I kind of, like, I make my own little, like, Dutch oven with the Pullman loaves, and I just   roll some tinfoil over the top, let that bake for a bit. And So you'll take the Pullman tin. Yeah. I guess for people who don't know what a Pullman tin is Yeah. It's kind of like a box that you can slide a cover on. Yeah. But this one doesn't have a cover. Okay. It's it's just like a basic, like, bread loaf, like Okay. Like your regular bread tin? Yes. Okay. No way. And you cover with foil? Yeah. And I cut I I missed the tops of the bread real good Okay. And then I cover it with foil and I let that go for a while. Okay. And then halfway through, I take the take the thing off and let it brown and get nice and crusty. Okay. Yeah.  



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How that's gotta be   that's gotta be a lot of baking if it's just a standard. It is. Yeah.  

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And I have I have, the the secret is making sure you have a schedule. Yeah. Yeah. How early do you get up some days?   Not as early as I used to when I was, like, working in, like, hotels. Yeah. Because my start times would be, like, 4AM. Yeah.   Here I'm getting up, like, maybe, like, six in the morning, like, everybody else is getting up to go to work and I just get everything out, start working. Yeah. And How do you time  

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your because well,   let's actually back up a little bit Yeah. For people who might be interested in getting into the sourdough. Okay. Let's talk about starters. Sure. What is the best   starter recipe that you found?  

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Like, the the best starter recipe that I found that has been, like,   easy, like,   dummies guide for sourdough. It has just been a basic, like, wild yeast, like, starter where you just   take, like, some flour, you mix some water and Yep. Let that go for a few days, feed it And there you go. Start. Yeah. Easy as stuff. I've I've seen some crazy ones where people are like, oh, I've made my starter out of I've done some crazy stuff. Yeah. What kind? Well, there were grapes,  

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raisins Yeah. I've heard about the Honey Yeah. Diastatic malt powder, like putting that in there, which I think actually does help if you've got it going. I think you can give it because I've I've brewed meat as well. So. Yeah. Oh, really nice. Yeah. There's I had   we're in defermentation.   My   wife makes kombucha.   Like it's   I really like fungus. Yeah. Which is an odd thing to say.   But I do. I do.   But it's people make it so complicated. Mhmm. One of my favorite books on baking bread is Jeffrey Hammelman's   Bread. Yeah. It's my Bible. Like if I wanna know how to make something, I just go to that. Yeah. Or I watch them on YouTube. It's I would recommend. I don't know if you have any books that you would recommend. I don't think I have that book. No, I've got I've got,   I've got the the bread baking Bible, I believe. Okay. I think that's a big thick one, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was that,   can't remember his name.  

It's not off the top of my head. I couldn't do that. I think I think I have a book by that same guy. Yeah. It's not the bread. And then I've got the, I believe it's called like the bread maker's apprentice. That's got a lot of good steps in it. That's the same guy. Yep. Yeah. Okay. I I have a different I don't have that one either. Yeah. But I have his it was actually the book I started with. Yeah. And he actually in the book I have, he's one of those guys like, you gotta put honey in it this day and that day. And it's Jeffrey Hamillman's like take a handful of flour, put water in it, let it go. It's gonna do what it wants to do. So And I've actually found because all of my,   just straight white Mhmm. White flour, red flour starters,   they do okay. But I found like a really coarse rye   as always. Every time I use that for a starter, it's like three days and the thing's blowing the lid off. It loves it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it it's fantastic. And using that as a starter, I think imparts a little bit better. Yeah. It's a little more interesting flavor because you get that a little bit of a rye in whatever you're doing. Yeah. So I   I'm   sorry. You probably didn't realize that you're gonna sit down with somebody. No, that's great. This is so nerdy about bread. I'm I'm over here like, I don't know what I'm gonna talk about. I've never done podcast work before like this. Like Yeah, don't don't worry. I'll just talk all the time and you can sit there and nod. Yeah.  

I really wanna get into,   100%   rye, like Baltic rice. It was like really dark.   But every single rye recipe I found, it's like there's they're complicated.  

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It's like scalds and all different weirdness. There's there's a whole different, like, science to the to rye breads. It's   it's fun to read.  

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It it's a little scary to practice sometimes because you're like, it's either gonna go really well or I'm gonna have a brick. Well, I'll I'll give you a really bad rye rye experience because I just I figured it was just gonna be like any other kind it's just flour. Right? I'll just   % rye. I'm trying to do some kind of Baltic whatever   that didn't involve, you know, three days of scalds. Yeah. And   I'm trying to knead it like you would normally knead and it's just nothing. And then I put it in a banneton Yeah. And it's sticking I still have my banneton still has rye, like, stuck into the edges of it. Oh, man. And it's just this flat dense loaf. I'm like, what is this? Oh, my god. Then I look into it. I'm like, oh, yeah. Well, dummy, of course. This isn't just like any other bread, but but you can put Yeah. A little bit of rye in the in the your bread and it it gives it a Yeah. It it gives it a little more depth of flavor for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   So, what got you into this? How'd you even start doing this? So,  

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it's like, now I gotta think about where I started with that. There was a point where,   I so I originally went to school for a fine arts degree. Okay. That went well.  

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So I have a BFA in fine arts also. As evidence from your bread bread business.  

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It helps now and then Yeah. Thankfully. So I was like, yeah. I'm gonna get into the arts. We're gonna not listen to my mother go, you're never gonna make any money doing that. I'm like, well, I'm a show you, mom. And then To be fair, she probably would have said the same thing if you said I'm gonna be a baker. Oh, you for sure. Yeah.   Yeah. I coming from a family where my my brother is, like he was a musical savant. He was in, like, first chair violin for his orchestra. So Oh, wow. Yeah.   He's he's doing kombucha now, which is Oh, is he really? Yeah. It's That's awesome. It was a fun turnaround. Like, I I love how we had, like, this, like, midlife crisis where we just swapped goals.   And,   so I got a BFA in,   fine arts,   was just struggling to pay student loans off. So I was just doing retail job after retail job. And   I by that point, I just needed an outlet. So I just started, like, baking, like, cakes and, like, muffins and stuff. And I'm like, this is this is fun for me. Like, it's it's tactile. It gets me, like,   not dreading about the inevitable, like, heat death of the universe. Right.  

Yeah.   And so I just kind of, like, started experimenting more. My mom would always use me for, like, free desserts to take to her school. Yeah. She's a teacher. So, you know, free publicity there. I just started doing that. And then I'm like, what if I went to school for this? Yeah. And so I went out of my way to, like, gather funds. I went to the Culinary Institute in San Antonio, and I learned to be a pastry chef. And from there, I just kind of, like,   started working at hotels even though I had instructors, like, never work at a hotel. It's the worst experience of your life. Again, I don't listen to people.  

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Hey. I I'm doing a podcast. Clearly, I don't listen to people.  

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Which I will say it's it's a rough experience working in hotels, but you learn a lot very quickly. Yeah. I I've worked in restaurants Yeah. And bars.   And I I don't know if it's one for one Yeah. But it is an education. In a way, yeah. It's like it's that go, go, go nature where you're just like, I either have to do it or something's gonna fall over. Yeah. Maybe you're in the weeds and it's just you got five things you gotta get done and this person doesn't like their broccoli. Yeah. And it's like you don't have the excuse of, well, I can't just say no. Yeah. You can That doesn't exist in this world. No, it does not. You gotta make everybody happy all the time. Always. Yep. Yeah. Which is for me exhausting. Yeah. And so from there, I've just   I I was like, let me just I wanna slow down. I wanna start doing my own thing. Like, you know, the   the the fun little, like, dream is always, like, I'm gonna open my own brick and mortar bakery. Yeah. It's usually what people wanna do. And at this point in time, that's   not really a goal right now, like but getting the table started and, like, just selling my own bread and, like, actually, like, interact That's a huge step in and of itself. For sure. Like, I I have a lot of admiration for all the vendors out here that, like, do this, like, on the daily. Yeah.  



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I mean, it's it can it can probably be very disparaging.   Yeah. Because I mean, it's especially with baking. It's not like you've got super wide margins. Yeah. You know, it's like   people go to the grocery store and they get a loaf of bread for, I don't know what it is now, but like $23, something like that. Yeah. About it. Yeah. And then they come here and you've got a little I don't know what you're selling your bread for, but I imagine it's more than 2 or $3 a little. It's a little bit more than that. Yeah.   And I don't know. I think it's I think people more and more are looking for that Yeah. Kind of product, but it's still kind of like, well, I can get this for $3 though. It's like, but this is much better. Yeah. I've I've learned that, because you will have people that'll be like, oh, I can just go to to Walmart and just, you know Well, maybe you should do that. Yeah.  



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No. I just go get it at the grocery store. I'm like, that's fine. Like, at this point, like, just I I've learned to just start selling more to the people that actually want to show up at the table. Yeah. Like, if if you wanna go get bread at the grocery store, like, there's no shame in that. Sometimes I do that. Like, it's fine. Like Well, I mean, you're making all this bread out, man. You don't wanna always be making bread for yourself. Oh, yeah. Sometimes I just wanna go and get, like, a nice, like, wonder bread. Yeah. I mean, sandwich bread is  

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love those Pullman tins because I can just do a plain Yeah. White bread and put in that Pullman. And I'm still trying to dial in the amount because I've had a couple. Man, I'll tell you a Pullman ten story. Yeah. So I was trying to do, I think it was a toast bread or something like that, but it called for high gluten flour.   Oh, man. I think you see where this might be going. Yeah, just a bit. Yes.   So me being a dummy, I was like, well, I'll just get   %   gluten   and, like, have the amount that it's telling me to put in there and that should be fine.   I'm not even kidding you. I pulled this thing out of the oven and I went to go do something else and I heard this poof. Oh. Oh, no. It blew.  

It blew the lid   off of the pool minted and it hit my ceiling.   That's how strong this gluten was.   It was It said you wanted gluten, you got it. Yeah. No. And I was like, well, I guess that doesn't work, and I'll just have to find what the recipe tells me to do.  

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So I've I've seen there was a video circulated a while back in, like, the baking, like, community where, this girl was,   she was trying to make a gluten free bread Yeah. And she accidentally bought a basically high gluten flour instead because she just saw gluten on the bag. I was like, that's what I need. Perfect. Yeah. And   and so she went to go check on it and, like, I kid you not, like, the bread was, like, almost filling the entire oven space with, like, how much she was baking it. It crawled out of the Dutch oven, and it was, like,  

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essentially the blob. Like, I'm like, jeez.   So  

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where can people find you? So right now, I am local to New Richmond. I I live in San Antonio. Actually, I meant to ask you. Do you live in New Richmond? Yes. I I actually used to live in Texas, moved up to Ohio. Texas.   Born and raised in Houston. I was living in San Antonio for the last five years. I worked, in the oil field in Karnes County. Okay.   For a year or two. It's real flat out there. Oh, man. And hot. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I so I moved up here, been here for about a year. And why did you decide to move up here from Texas? I was like, it was too hot. God. Well, hey. Listen. I It was too hot. I already had friends living up here and they're like, the weather's so nice. They lied to me about the winters.  

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Well, that's how we have to get people to move to all that. We have to lie to them about winter and summer. There's no humidity. It's so nice. You can breathe outside. Oh, yeah. They lied to you. Yeah.   Yeah. They they straight lied to you about that.  

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They like it. Humidity. I feel like I was pulled into a cult on that.   No. Ohio can feel like a cult sometimes. Just a little bit. The way the chili, that's what's that's what I'm baffled about still. I mean, listen,  

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I'll tell you what baffles because I'm from Middletown, which is I don't know how familiar you are with the area. I'm I'm starting to get there. So Middletown is probably   thirty, forty minutes north. It's literally right between Cincinnati and Dayton. Okay. Yeah. And I would always tell people,   well, first of all, I love Skyline. Yeah. And I, but I also understand. And there's nothing wrong with that. Why people. It's just a different experience for me. It's people think chili and they're like, oh, I'm gonna get some chili and then it's just like this weird brown meat sauce.   But I would always tell people, yeah, yeah, I'm from Cincinnati. I'm from Cincinnati. I'm from Cincinnati.  

And then I moved to Cincinnati   and I had get up for the first time.   And   I hate that stuff.   I don't understand GEDA. My wife loves it.   It smells awful.   It's weird. I don't know. I don't like GEDA. And then I finally realized I am not from Cincinnati.  

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I it's a fine to tell people that, but, man. Yeah, that was the first question I had when I moved here. I was seeing signs for get out of like, what is this?  

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Yeah. And it is   I still to this day, I guess it's just sausage and oats. I don't I don't know. Yeah. That's what that's what it sounds like. You like it? No.   No. Not at all. No, of course not.   So I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, you're alright. Yeah. So where can people find you in there? So I'm local to New Richmond right now. I am,  

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you will find me here at the New Richmond's Farmers Market through the entire season. Saturdays, I will be in Mount Orib. I hope I pronounced that correctly. I've Yeah. Been trying to figure out how to pronounce that. It's Mount Orib. Okay. Because I read it and I'm like, Oh, Rab. Where's that? Where's Orib?   Like, you mean Mount Orib? And I'm like, ah, thanks.   Yes. It's like it's like Texas. We've got places like Humble and people are like, oh, you from Humble? No, Humble. Humble. No, Humble. It's Humble.   Then there's Boerne. But anyway   but yeah. So New Richmond Farmers Market, I'll be here on Sundays from, like, today until, like, I believe we end in, like, late September. Okay. And then,   Sunset Oil, Brewing, which is out in Mount Org. How how is that? I I've been meaning to go to Sunset Oil. If you're from New Richmond, it's a bit of a drive. I would say it's like about thirty, forty minutes depending on traffic. Yeah. I mean, it's it's good out there. I I like their stuff. Like, I'm I'm always getting, like, some of their drinks and, like, they're thinking of the best. Cider, like a Yeah. Fruit cider or something that was Their brisket's fantastic. Is it really? Yeah. And, like, I'm usually, like, a hard sell on brisket out here. Yeah. They're always being from Texas. Yeah. Oh my, so it's good. Like, I'm always getting a brisket sandwich. They have, like, they have a brew master, so they make all their own stuff.  

The orange soda has no dyes in it. So it's yeah. Because they, their son's, like, allergic to dyes. Yeah. I believe that's the story. And so they, like, make all their stuff pretty naturally, and it's good stuff. That's really cool. Yeah. So I didn't mean to I keep derailing you while you try to promote yourself. We're we're back and forth in here. Yeah. I was like, hey. Tell me where you can find yourself. Oh, well, hey. Why don't you talk about this other business real fast? It's it's that's the nature of it. But yeah. So,   so tons of toil on Saturdays through, like, the farmer's market season, you know, when there's not snow on the ground. Yeah.  

Are you on social media, I'm at? Yes. I have, I've got a Facebook, the breaded dragon, and then also the breaded dragon on Instagram, but there's an underscore in between somewhere. Okay. I can't remember where that is. Somebody beat me to it and asked the bread. I'm like, how did you do that? Why didn't that unique name. It is. Yeah. No. Wait. So the breaded dragon, do you do you have bearded dragons at home? Is that why? Surprisingly, no. I don't.   No. The breaded dragon comes from, I'm a bit of a fantasy nerd. Like Oh, sure. Lord of the Rings, I play Dungeons and Dragons, so Oh, you're a DM. Do you play Magic the Gathering at all? I tried. You did? I really tried. Did you like it? I I just couldn't follow it, Like Really? But I ended up, like, learning from people that were, like, in competitive tournaments. Yeah. So they were teaching me really fast and very aggressively. I'm like, I can't do this. It's a little stressful. I, well,   I don't want to go off on too much of a tangent. But what are some of your favorite fantasy novels? So Is it just fantasy or do you get into sci fi? Every now and then, like, I dabble in sci fi just a bit. Thanks to my dad. He he writes his own sci fi novels actually. Oh, does he? Yes. That's impressive. Yeah. Yeah. He writes the, the survivors of the mutant Dawn series and he publishes it on Amazon. So Nice. Yeah.  

But as far as, like, fantasy novels, I grew up reading, like, Lord of the Rings, Eragon, The Inheritance Trilogy.  

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God, I'm just blanking. I think Aragon was a little past my time. Was it big into,   the Redwall series? Yes, thank you. I love it. That's where I was going next. I actually have a signed poster. Oh, that's fantastic. Brian James. So you got to meet Brian James? No, I didn't. It was  

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he I know. I'm about to one up you. Oh, you've met him? I have. Yes. It was Oh, man. It was a very long time ago. It was, What was it? Was he as nice as I imagine? He's fantastic.   Yeah. He was he was such a a wonderful man.   So I I met him, like, several years back. I think I was, like,   13. He was doing, like, a a book tour for his, his, flying Dutchman series Okay. That he was doing. I can't remember the last maybe pearls of lutra was the last one that I I read.   And then I just went on the other because he wrote tons of places. Oh, yeah. He that man had so many books. Yeah. Yeah. He was there for, like, a book signing. He, like, spoke to, like, everybody. Like, he was very fantastic. He, like, was telling the secret of, like, how he wrote the mole language because he was driving, like, a truck on some back roads. And I think it was, like,   there there was I haven't tried I can't remember my locality in England.  

Well, I I think it was I think it was Jordy. Yeah. He was he was he met some Jordy people and, like, they were giving him directions. He's like, I couldn't understand what they said.  

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Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah. I   I I'm jealous she got to meet Brian. Yeah. For people who don't know, as we're nerding out on Brian Jacques Yeah. He writes a Redwall series and if anybody has young   preteen to teen kids,   I think I started with Martin the Warrior. Yeah. And it's a fantastic series. Yeah. I originally started with Salamander Strong. Oh, that's a good one. I I remember that with the, the long patrol and the rabbits. Yep. Yeah. And the badger that lives in Salamander Strong. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. The the royal badgers. Yeah. The royalty of the world. Yeah.   This is this is gonna probably sound very odd to a lot of people. Yeah. Just a little bit. But I mean, if you just tell them it's like, you know, the tales of King Arthur just with little furry animals. With little furry animals. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. And it's fantastic.  

So what other fantasy series do you because I'm always on the lookout for a good new new fantasy. Let's see. I haven't I actually haven't read a lot. Have you gotten into Sanderson at all? Not yet. No. The Way of Kings, man. My wife is I've been told. Yeah. I because I was looking for a good I don't wanna get into the wheel of time. Like, I I just  

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I don't have that kind of patience, to be honest. See, I'm I'm working myself up to Sanderson because I I I see the absolute, like, lexicon of books he has, and I'm like, oh, man. Well, if you don't I  

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read Game of Thrones. Yeah. Or I'm sorry. Table of Ice and Fire, whatever he calls it.   And what was the one Patrick Patrick Rothfuss,   Name of the Wind? Have you ever heard of those? I I believe I've heard that one. Yeah. Yeah. So both of those guys Yeah. They've put out   all these books and are just refusing to end the series.   And it is so frustrating. Yeah. I I  

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I I get so frustrated with George r r Martin. We're never gonna see the Winds of Winter out there.  

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No. And what's frustrating about it is he keeps coming out with all this other stuff. Yep. And he's got like daily blogs and he's like He's going places. He's like taking pictures of things he's doing. And I'm like, George, please. Just finish this. I don't think he's gonna finish this. I normally don't like cursing on on the podcast, but finish these damn books.   Like   We've we all want  

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a we want a conclusion to this that is better than that television show. Yeah. I I'm afraid that what happened was he gave his actual ending to the show writers and they put  

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and and he he received such a bad backlash. She's like, I don't I should. Oh, no. He's like, oh, man. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what's happened. Yeah. But I would highly recommend Way of Kings. Okay. And I think, I mean, my wife is actually gone. She, she's constantly relistening to the audiobooks. Yeah. But what I love about Sanderson is he's just a workman. Like he, when he says he's gonna finish something Yeah. He finishes it. That's great. And in the meantime, writes two books. Like he's a he's a madman. Yeah. He's wonderful. Yeah. Latest one I have read though, I've joined, like, a small book club and the first thing that they put me to read was, Legends and Lattes, which is kind of a a Dungeons and Dragons inspired. Like, it's a cozy novel. It's like a new genre of novels that's coming out Yeah. Where it's very low stakes and it's kind of follows a,  

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it it follows an adventurer who'd been, like, adventuring for twenty years, and she's like, I wanna retire and open my own coffee shop. And, actually, that felt a little too real to me, and I'm like, oh. And I just devoured this book. It's Sledges and Lattes by, Travis Baldree. Okay. And it's, like, it's very, like, it was very nice, very low stakes, like, very different from what I'm used to reading where it's like the world is ending. Right. I need to find these this this one MacGuffin and take it to the place. Like, I'm used to those things, but now I'm like, this is this was relaxing. Yeah.   Which is sometimes a nice change of pace given how things work  

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in the world. Yeah. No. I mean, that's sometimes you just need a book that's  

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easy to read and fun. It was a good it was a good easy read for sure. So I wouldn't say Brandon Sanderson's an easy read, but it's enjoyable.  

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Are there any other good fantasy novels that you're God. I can't think I haven't been reading as much as I should, honestly. Have you ever gotten into, Gardens of the Moon? No. Okay. No. Because I read I read the first one, which is,   well, the first one is Gardens of the Moon. It's like the Malazan something like that.   But people   constantly talk about how hard that is to read,   at least online because that's where I find it. And then I read it, I'm like, this isn't that hard. And then I realized they were comparing it to Dune and I'm like, woah. Okay. If you're not used to reading a book like Dune Yeah. Dune's because I love Dune. Yeah. Dune Dune's a lot for some people.   I remember first picking up Dune   and it just this is what I absolutely love and I love books that do this. It doesn't didn't hold your hand. No. It was just like, here   we are. And   if you want to figure it out, go look in the gloss. It has a glossary.  



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Which sometimes you need like. Yeah. But this this book, The Gardens of Moon, is the same way. It's like you have to look in the back. Yeah. I love books that have glossaries. I love books that have pronunciation guides for their Yeah. Their characters, which is great.  

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I always say if a book has a map in it, it's probably for me. Yeah. Yeah.   It's probably for me.  

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Yeah. I I do love books that do that. I'll have to have to check some of those out. Like, if you have any fantasy recommendations, I I need books to read. Sanderson, absolutely. Yeah.  

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Gardens of the Moon is good. Yeah.   I'm trying to think of the other   there was a while where in the   I started reading a lot more science fiction. Mhmm. There were I tried to work through all the Hugo and Nebula winners. Yeah. The guys that won both.   So if you if you'd like dipping your toe into science fiction Mhmm.   Forever War is fantastic. Okay.   Oh, what's the name of it?   I think it's Gateway.   That's another really good science fiction one.   Trying to think of what recent fantasy ones I've read.   I don't know. I honestly, it's Sanderson. I I can't recommend him enough. Yeah. Like Okay. I mean, anybody who can step in and finish the wheel of time,   I mean,  

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he's gotta be good. Oh, for sure. Yeah. He's just he's a power. Is he is he wanting to take on any Game of Thrones projects or  

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Right? I feel like he could do it. I think at this point, Martin just needs to give it to somebody Oh, yeah. And tell him to fit it. I mean, he's got so many different story lines and balls in the air. I don't know how he   narratively, I don't know how you land that plane. No. And I don't think he does either. Which is the problem. He He just kind of rode himself onto a cliff and he's like, uh-oh. Yeah.   He's always gotta jump over it at some point. Oh, yeah. Or else he's just gonna be known as the guy that   didn't finish his his magnum opus. Yeah. It's like, how sad would that be? Come on, George. Use the dragons. You have them. Yeah. It's like there's so much going on. Just finish it.  

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and tell one last time. Okay. Tell us where we can find you. Alright. You can find the breaded dragon here at the New Richmond Farmers Market, in front of the River Village shop on Sundays. Saturdays, you can find me in Mount Orib at Sun to Toil   at Sun to Toil Brewing. Let me finish that sentence.   Otherwise, I   on the off seasons, I basically bake off my porch. So   you can find me on Facebook, and I have order forms for that. Awesome. And also on Instagram. Cool. Yeah. Victor. Right? Yes. Victor. Perfect.  

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Well, thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you for having me. I think that guy is next right there. Alright. So you wanna go tap him on the shoulder? Absolutely. It was really nice to to  

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meet you. Yeah. Nice to meet you.  

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You're   up.   You're up.  

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That's who we are. Perfect. We three   I'm not. You. Oh. You're my wife and daughters Okay. That does that. The apothecary? Yeah. I'm just cheap labor.   Yeah.  

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We got headphones here for you. Alrighty.   And then   we'll just start with who you are and what you do. Okay.   Oh, I'm sorry. In the microphone,   you want it to be about like this from your mouth.   Okay. So it's a pretty decent microphone. It should pick up, but you gotta be just a little close to it. How's that? Yeah, that's perfect. Can you hear yourself? Yes. Yeah. Perfect.   So, who are you and what do you do?  

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My wife and daughters,   developed this,   little thing. It started out with just goat milk soap. Yeah. Now they make lotions, they make   sugar   scrubs, they make,   well my daughter, my middle daughter, she   has experimented with   the perfume oils. Okay.   And she has made some really good perfume. Has she? Yeah, it's a roll on perfume. Okay. It's really good.   The candles,   they're they're making candles now, different candles.   We sell them to a distillery   downtown.   Which one?   It's, Willow Willow Run. Okay. They're, I think they're on Eighth Street downtown. I haven't been there. Like I said, I'm just   Yeah. That's all right. Yeah. I just I fund the op I mean, you're very I feed the goats.  



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Yeah. That's what I found once I got married. I'm like, oh, I'm cheap labor. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I am. Cheap labor. Yeah. It  

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and it's my wife. That's where the the the three   is my wife and my two daughters.   And, but they they sell those candles,   to the distillery.   And it's,   flavor. It's Yeah. Because I when they when she burns them at the house, it makes me wanna go to the refrigerator.   And it's butterscotch bourbon. That's just the flavor. Yeah, that candle. Make you wanna eat dessert. And the whole house that smells so good. Yeah.   Yeah, I,   they started that. We we used to raise, well, we still do,   African born meat goats.   Well, they're meat goat. We sell them to kids for four h. Okay. And,   so you have a goat farm? Yes. Okay. Oh, yeah. We have around 40. Yes. 40 goats? Yeah. How'd you get into goat farming?  

Well, my oldest son who is   39?   Mhmm.   38.   30 eight.   Now,   when he started in April,   he was nine. Mhmm.   We bought his first,   we bought his first   show animals, which was goats. He wanted to show goats, so we bought them. We bought them too. He showed them.   And I thought, well, this is kinda dumb.   I mean,   I grew up in a farm. I grew up on a farm. Yeah. I know how to raise livestock. Yeah. You know? I said, so we're gonna buy   two female goats and we're gonna have them bred. We took I had a friend If you're gonna do it, you're gonna do it right. Yeah. Yeah. And, so we went we started out with those two females,   and they was the four meat goat,   and we ended up with   we probably had about 25 of them. Okay.  

After   all three of my kids went through.   Now did all your kids do four h? Yes. They all did. Okay. Oh, yeah. They did they did the goats and the hogs. I really want my kids to to do the four H thing. It's nice. It's a good it's a good deal. Yeah. It is for the kids. Yes. And and we tried to, have them keep their books. Mhmm. So they could see if they was making money or losing money. Right.   Yeah. They made money.   It's,   it's it's a good thing. Yeah. Yes. You should try to get your kids in. Yeah. I think even if it's not animal husbandry,   whatever. Yeah. Well, they have general projects. Yeah. Quite a few general projects. Animal husbandry.  



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I think it is good. I think it's just good for people to know where their food comes from and how that happens. Absolutely. Because, you know, you go to the supermarket and you get yourself a steak and completely disconnected from the whole process. Exactly.  

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Exactly. And I think it also gets you to a point where you start thinking like, I don't know. I just think it also gets you to a point where you start thinking like, I don't know. I just think it's good for people to know where their food comes from. I don't  

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know. I just think it's good for people to know what a food Exactly. Yeah. And that's and that's it's not just animals. It's, everything. Vegetables Yeah. Fruits and   anything that you consume. Yeah. You know?   Animals is kind of sad when you raise them. So I I I hunt. I don't raise animals. Yeah. But I hunt. I did. I don't anymore.  

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But you know what it's like when you when you get yourself a deer. Yeah. It's like, alright, I got a deer, but then you're like, oh, this is This is still kind of a bubble. I have a story about that. Alright.  

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The last year I hunted,   which was probably   six or seven years ago Okay. When we had an ice storm. Okay. I don't know if you remember.   Six or seven years ago, it was Everything was covered with ice. I was in Felicity, I think. He was in Felicity. I think so. That's where we live. Or maybe outside of  

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We live outside Felicity. Okay. We my wife and I had a house there   probably four or five years ago right when we got married. We had about 10 acres off of Ritchie Road. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was actually the the house was on the news Yeah. Because we sold it. And the people who bought it, I think, were living in Arizona.   But while they weren't there, somebody broke in and just destroyed the place. Really? Yeah. Like absolutely wrecked it.  

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There's,   I have some cousins in my, and family. I have some family that lives on Ritchie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a nice road. It's I mean, we had 10 acres. It was beautiful.  

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Yeah. It   my we bought my wife's   grandmother's house. Okay. And if that wasn't the case, we'd still be in Yeah. In Felicity. It's just can't be. I'm sorry, I interrupted your story. Oh, no, I like where I live. Yeah. It's very, it's, I live back a private drive. Yeah. There's some houses back there with us. And,  

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but it's,   it it's peaceful. Yeah. Yeah. Where we are. Yeah. And that's that's what I got good neighbors. I have good neighbors. Yeah. I really do. And that's what it takes too. It really does. We had really good neighbors when we were there. I mean, they're they're close, but they're not close. And that's what I like. That's the best neighbor. Yeah. Exactly. My mind. You're close, but you're not too close. You know, if I got trouble, you'll help me. But, you know, you're not over every weekend looking for sugar or something else. Yeah. Yeah. And we   we help each other out. Yeah. I   mean, yeah, I have good neighbors. Yeah.  

But, yeah, we,   as far as the hunting with the ice storm,   it was during muzzleload season. Okay.   Yeah. I think it might have been the next to the last day of that muzzleload season, and I was Had you gotten a deer by then? No. Well, I did get one look earlier. So you weren't under the gun like, oh, no. This is my last day. Yeah. And I'm I'm setting up on this ridge and,   and there was seven does that came through this valley. Yeah. And they was pawing at the ice Yeah. Trying to get the hedge balls. Mhmm. That was covered with that. It was froze to the ground and it was popping up. And and the sunlight shining up that valley and the ice and the and it was glistening in the sun. Yeah.   And I I could have I could have killed any one of them. But Yeah. And I just   laid my muzzleloader down and said, you know, they're out here trying to survive. Yeah. You know, they're just as cold as you are. They're just as hungry as you are. Exactly. And I said, I'm not going to   shoot any of them. Yeah.  

And I that was the day I turned soft. Yeah. I went to the house, discharged my muzzleloader. That was the day I got old. Yeah. I discharged the muzzleloader and put it in and I haven't got it out since. Yeah. And   and   yeah, it was that was a sad day. Yeah. Yeah.  

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That's because I haven't been hunting for very long, maybe three four years,  

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but we used to hunt when I was growing up and and even my son   and my daughters   they would all hunt. Yeah. And and   and I mean we enjoyed it. Yeah. And we put meat in the freezer too. And then I was about to say there's   deer meat has, to me deer meat has its   it has certain purposes that you can use it for.   I don't know. It just seems like with meat,   deer meat,   the more you chew it, the bigger it gets.   Yeah. Did you ever notice that? I think it's kind of tough. Now my wife   fixes   she soaks it in milk and it it just makes it really because my son still hunts. Yeah. Yeah. And he still gives us meat. Yeah. And,  

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have you ever have you ever tried the heart?  

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No. I have not tried the heart. I've made I've made beef heart.  

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Try next time your son gets a deer, tell him to get the heart out of it. Right.   It was the last dough I got.   Heart   and we cut it and kind of spread it out like a steak. We fried it up like you fry steak. It was the most tender   delicious cut that I've ever had off of here. Beef heart is. Is it? Well, I've got a beef heart in my freezer too. Yeah. Yeah. It's  

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beans. Oh, really? Yeah.  

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And the tongue. Yeah. I think I've got a tongue in my freezer. The butcher just gave it to us. Yeah. Because we bought half a cow. Now, if you take a beef tongue and you can cook it,  

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and then you slice it. I've heard this. And you put it on bread or crackers, it's absolutely delicious. I've heard that. Yeah. It's still  

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it's just something about the tongue. Like, I see that big Oh, you gotta put that out of your head. I know. It's kinda hard when you've got this whole I know. Tongue on, you know? I know. But I'll have to give it a shot. But I was gonna say the it was one year I was hunting,   East Fork. Mhmm.   And I was out there and I was just kinda sitting on the ground. I had I didn't see any deer out there. But, But   there was there had to have been a church somewhere. And I was up kind of on a ridge and the there was a big cliff and the water comes around like that and the sun's coming through the trees. And you just heard whatever church it was singing their gospel music, it kind of came drifting down the valley. Uh-huh. I was like, you can't.   You don't get experiences like that. I know.  

Anywhere else. And I mean, yeah, you could go out hiking and stuff, but just sitting in the woods for eight hours.  

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You do a lot of thinking. A lot of thinking. You solve a lot of problems. You really do. Yeah. And it's just peaceful. When you get back to the house, it's like, well, you know, I'm gonna do this this way. Yeah. Yeah. Or I thought about it while I was out there. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's a it's a good place to go to just Yeah. Even if you don't get it. It's like a serenity or I I'm trying to think of I guess that would be a good word. And you know, there's that moment when you're I don't know if you stand or or you're in a blind or wherever you are.   The last ten years I  

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I sat on the ground. Yeah. Yeah. But anywhere you are, if as as long as you're not like trying to stalk a deer or something like that, you're sitting still. Mhmm. And there's always that moment where, like, all the wood, you kinda just become part of the woods. You know, the squirrels start coming out, birds start coming out, and then you're just part of woods.   Yeah. And  

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you don't get that with a hike, like when you're just walking through the woods. Just sit there. I've had squirrels come down the tree right next to me sitting in a stand. Yeah. I've had birds just like right over here just doing their thing. I've had coyotes 30 feet away. Have you? Yes, I've had coyotes. And I was sitting on the ground. I was actually getting kind of leery about, well, maybe I better be thinking about this one. He might be looking at me like lunch.   But but they was actually playing. I they was either playing or they was looking for field mice. Mhmm.   Because they they kept   going back and forth, back and forth with each other. Yeah. And they had their nose to the ground. So I'm assuming it was probably looking for field mice. Yeah. Yeah. And,   but but they was pretty that time of year too. Yeah. Yeah. They yeah. Because they they done shed all their winter hair and Yeah. They looked actually, they looked   pretty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's you just don't They're a nuisance. I know they're a nuisance, but but they look pretty. You know, there's lots of things that are nuisances. Yeah. But if you catch them.  



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You know, deer at a certain part certain aspects deer can be a nuisance. I mean Yeah. You know, during the rut, you're driving around on the road and those things will just jump out at you. Like, it was I was on   Olive Branch Road driving somewhere, and these $2 come out. Well, first of all, I always see the bucks when it's, when I'm not hunting. Oh, yeah. They're just everywhere. Oh, yeah. And then I'm in a stand for eight hours, freezing my butt off, and they're nowhere to be seen. Oh, I I know what, I know exactly what you mean. But these $2 come jutting out of the woods and they're on the road just like running around the road. And I mean, that's really dangerous. Yeah. But so in certain aspects, but when you're out there looking at them, it's just, you know, it's beautiful.  

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I was hunting on my cousin's farm. Mhmm.   Probably ten, twelve years ago.   And   these $2 come out of the woods and was fighting. Mhmm. They   started fighting. I mean, and it was off probably   a hundred yards from me. Yeah.  

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Was there. Yeah. And Well, you wouldn't be a very good hunter if they did. Exactly.  

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And and they was fighting. Yeah. And there was 3 more bucks that came out. I couldn't believe it. There was $5. There were $5 is the one. Ended in that field. Did you get one? No. No. I was bow hunting. Oh.  

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So you were a bow hunter too? Oh, yeah. Used to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I gave up the bow hunting. You know, my thing with bow hunting is is that it would take me so long to get proficient at it.   And I just I'm so worried about having a deer.  

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Black powder. Yeah. That's the fun. Yeah. The muzzleloader? Yeah. Yeah. Not with not with muzzleloader. It's it's it's just a lot of and you only have one shot. You gotta make it count. You really gotta make a cow. I was a little worried about the muzzleloader.  

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But I got a deer Yeah, I got a doe one year,   maybe two years back with a muzzleloader. They're fun. They are fun. Yes, they are fun. And it's not because I was thinking,   oh, it's a muzzleloader. It's not gonna be nearly as accurate or as or as good as my rifle.  

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But no, it it hit right where I was pointing it and it it put her down pretty quick. I bought it. I bought a Remington eight seventy slug gun. Okay. Still in a box. Yeah. I bought it to hunt with Yeah. During gun season. Yeah. Yeah. And I started hunting with that muzzleloader.   Yeah.  

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I never I never even I I never shot it. This year. They were not this year, but,   because I use those those little pellets. Uh-huh. So it makes it pretty full because that was the other thing. Like, I don't wanna load the powder load myself up. The powder pellets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I measured out in pill bottles.  

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Okay. Oh, nice. That's 90 grain. Yeah. Yeah. And then I could just and I kept actually kept the bullet in it too. Oh, nice. Yeah. So I would I would pour the grain oh, yeah. Into the in the bullet, and I I take the bullet. Yeah. I had everything there. Yeah. But I never did hunt with pellets. No. No. My son did. Yeah. Yeah. And he he liked the the pellets better because it's more convenient. It is very convenient. Yeah. But I like the powder. I mean, you got a pad. What kind of muzzle loader did you have? Did you have like a whole? CBAs. I have a whole. CVA. Yeah. Yeah. Those. Yeah. And they're so affordable. Oh, absolutely. They're incredibly affordable. The first one I bought was like $100   Yeah. Brand new. Yeah. Of course, I had to put a scope on it and all that. Yeah. Yeah. And, well, actually, I had to drill and tap that one. Oh, okay. It didn't go. It wasn't even drill and tapped. Yeah. It had iron sights on it.  



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And you could take those. You can take muzzleloaders out pretty far, can't you? You mean as far as shooting? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  

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I shot one one hundred and sixty one yards. That's, I mean, that's something to sneeze at. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Well, I stepped it off. I didn't have a rangefinder back then. Well. But I shot one. It was a long ways off. Yeah. And it was in a hayfield over my cousin's farm.   And when I stepped it off, it was 161   yards. And when I shot her, she just folded up. Yeah. Yeah, she folded up. Well, you get those big bullets too. I mean, the energy you dump into them. Oh, yeah. It just puts it out quick. I shot the 45 caliber with the sabot. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it seemed to me like they shot better. Yeah.   But I never shot over 90 grain. Yeah. All my all three of my guns were shooting 150   grain. Yeah.  



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They was. Oh, that's really old school, the Flintlock. Yeah. And and they said the short barrel guns,  

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he he said if anything over 90 grain burns out of the barrel.  

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Yeah. And and it also pushes the bullet. Yeah.   He says you're more accurate if you just shoot 90. Because you're not getting that burn afterwards to give it a weird trajectory. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I always shot. And I was, like I said, 161   yards. Yeah. And and and it hit right where I put it. That's that's an impressive hit for a muzzleload. Yeah. But but like I said, I was shooting a 45 count. Yeah, yeah.   Grain it was, the bullet. Yeah. But but it carried, they're carried good.  

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What? I don't mean to steer us too far off track because you were supposed to be over here talking about your pets. Okay. Well, we just got onto a hunting conversation.   So to bring it back to goats,   so do you guys do goat milk? Do you get your own milk? Actually, I'll tell you what I wanna ask you. What does goat even taste like? I don't know if I've ever eaten a goat. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever eaten a goat. I think it tastes like sweet beef. Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a it's a redder meat. It's it's not like deer. Can you cook it, rare? I mean, it's it you can eat rare just like you would a steak or something like that. I guess you could. I don't know why you couldn't. Yeah.   Like all my meat cooked. Okay. Yeah. So Well, that might be why the deer's a little tough for you. Yeah. Well,  

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yeah. Whatnot. She she knows how to cook it, but it just   it just it seemed to me like I don't know.   It just it just seemed like the more you chew it, a steak, a deer steak. Yeah. That roast, she can make a super roast.   Yeah. Yeah. And I mean and she'll take deer meat and she'll, she'll cut it up into little cubes   and she'll make beef noodles like well, deer oh it's deer noodles. Well yeah. And she seasons it and all that and it tastes just like beef to me.   And it's tender. Yeah.   But mostly the deer burger. Yeah. Is what you wanna   I mean, she's even made gutter.  

Oh, yeah. Only gutter out of deer meat. Yeah. And, and it it's about the same. Yeah.   But the, the goat,   I've had goat shish kebabs.  

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Okay. I guess that's what you call them. I mean, goats are pretty popular meat in The Middle East and stuff. Yes. Right? Yeah. Yes. We sold to we used to sell,  

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to some,   I guess,   it was like an ethnic holidays for the or the or what do they call that? Like, Ramadan or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, there's one coming up. Yeah.   And, and we would sell it to the   and it was kind of funny because some   the one guy would come in and he had a Lexus.   Yeah. A brand new Lexus. Uh-huh. And he put it right in the back seat.   He didn't tie it. He didn't do nothing. I said, I said, you bring a cage or anything? He thought it was an actual goat. Yeah. Like a whole   goat? And he put in the back of his Lexus? And put it in the back of his Lexus.  

And it's like, you're not gonna   I actually went in the house and told my wife he lived up in Blue Ash. Yeah.   He worked he was, he did something with the medical. Okay.   He I forget what he told me it was radiologist.   Yeah. And,   I went in the house, I told my wife, I said, we have to watch the news tonight and see where this goat cost his rent   in his car when up on $2.75.  

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Is a nice car too. I mean Yeah. I mean, goats have holes that you tear stuff up and He put them right in the back seat,  

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and he was by himself.   I wouldn't have done that.  

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No. That wouldn't have been my choice. No. But, you know, I guess to each their own. I guess. As long as it worked, I guess. Yeah. Well, and he,  

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he came back a few times. He had a SUV.   Mhmm. And I don't know why he didn't bring it. He brought this Lexus car.   And maybe the SUV was in the shop or something. But Oh, your buddy, but, you know, borrow your buddy's truck or something. I said, do you want some plastic or something? Yeah. Oh, no. It's fine. He says his car will wash.   Not for me. No, I would not put my goat in a Lexus or something. Yeah, it was all Lexus. Yeah. And, we had another guy came in a Toyota.   Yeah. And he put it in the back seat of a Toyota, but he tied its legs. Okay. Yeah. So it couldn't move around. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. But that's a little more even then, I wouldn't have put it in a car. I mean   So do you do you eat a lot of goat then? No. No. She won't let me no. No. She won't let you eat no. We don't eat her. No. No. I've ate it, but she won't let me eat ours. Yeah. Yeah.  

Yeah. I've had, goat roast. It's good. I mean, it's all on how you fix it. Sure. And it's it's a it's a red meat. It's a redder meat. It's not like deer. Deer's dark. Yeah. This is light. Okay. Kinda like beef. Okay.   To me, it is. That's what it looks like.   But yeah, it's,   it's good.   But she got   into   she bought a couple of milk goats. Mhmm.   And,   she wanted to milk.   And now we have, I don't know, 12 or 15 of them. Yeah. I don't know. We have around 40 total. Yeah. And, and she actually just sold 17. Oh, nice. So we still have 40. We still have 40. Yeah. Now we have five lambs.   Yeah. She bought the hair sheep. Yeah. Or not well, somebody gave her a hair sheep. Okay. They would When you say hair sheep, you mean, like, for wool and stuff? No. Or is that a type of sheep? Yeah. It's a type. They have hair. They don't have the wool. They have hair. Oh, really? Yeah. They just have hair. That's interesting. But they they're sheep. Yeah.  

And,   that's kinda like what you see,   you know, like, up in the   these pictures when they in the mountains of the Alps and Yeah. The sheep herders, that's what they have. Okay.   And,   I don't know. They might have wool ones too, but all the pictures you see Basically. A hair. Hair sheep.   Friend of ours,   his girlfriend has sheep. Mhmm.   A lot of them. Like, I don't know, a couple hundred, I think, what he said.   That's a lot of sheep. Well, some of them when they have triplets, they don't they'll kick one off. Sure. And they end up bottle babies. Well, he brought them and gave them to herd because she raises   bottle babies. That's kind of her gig, should I say. Yeah. You know?  

And, we have   so we have now we have five. Okay. We have five sheep. Five sheep. Yeah. With 40 goats.   We have a lot of stuff at our house right now. Yeah. Yeah. We have   I don't have many chickens. Two big fat ducks, and I mean, they're big ducks. Yeah. Yeah. They're the Are they are they you're gonna eat them? Or No. No. They're they're pets. Yeah. Yeah. They Yeah.   Every year I'll get them a swimming pool. One of those little blue swimming pools. They have a blast in there. But they lately they've been getting into the   water troughs.  

Really? Yeah. Of the for the goats? Yeah. Yeah. And they'll swim around splashing in, get it all dirty and then you have to dump it out.   Kind of a pain in the neck to me, but  

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she says, well, I'll let them go. You know, happy wife, happy life. That's  

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right, that's   right. Yeah, they're   it's just, that's   why we have   this is that makes funny farm. Yeah, that's my last name. Yeah, and that's when when they first, when she first started making the milk, the soap and that's all she made was soap. Yeah   that's what she called it. Yeah   and then they started making the lotions   and then   my wife and daughters, they developed the LLC.   Mhmm. And   and now that's   we have   all kinds of stuff. Yeah.   And she makes caramel sauce. Oh, really? Goat milk. Really? Oh, yeah. She usually sells it here. Is it good? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have people buy it. They'll buy four or five jars at a time. Really? Yeah and it only has about a two week shelf life because there's no preservatives or anything. Right. You know,   so they must eat a lot. Yeah. But I think the one lady bought, she bought it for,   I think she did,   like, business meetings and stuff. Oh, sure. So she did   it. Sorry about that. No. You're fine.  

Yeah. She,   she would buy for business meetings. And I guess they would have, like, ice cream with that on it. Yeah. And she made butterscotch, which I liked. I like butter. I feel like it's an acquired taste for some people, but I I like butterscotch. Yeah. Milkshakes, I buy butterscotch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. Yeah.   She   and she makes a chocolate caramel, and it's good. But the regular caramel   is is a lot of people like. Yeah. Yeah. But she doesn't she it's it's still early Yeah. Right now. Well, how long you guys been doing this?  

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Sorry about that. No. No. Listen. You talk for this long sometimes.  

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Well,   this will be our   third year, I think. Okay. Of her making this of the   from the start. Okay.   Yeah. The the WEAP,   three apothecary.   I think it was   they developed that last spring. Okay.   So   it's, so probably a year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and they actually do pretty good. I mean a lot of people   we've shipped,   because we ship. Yeah.   We ship to Georgia, we've shipped to Oklahoma,   Indiana,   I mean we've shipped to Batavia.   I can't really use my pop.   But yeah, we ship   a lot of people that came through like at the different festivals and stuff. We did the Appalachian Festival down there. Oh nice, yeah yeah. And a lot of people out of towners. Yeah.   Because   the recipe she has is really good for the lotions   and it's a thicker lotion. It doesn't take as much to go a long long way.  

So,  

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yeah. Talking so long. This I'll tell you what. I don't use my talk. That's enough. That's fair enough.   Why don't you just tell everybody,   who you are again and where they can find you? We're we're three apothecary.  

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We do the, the artisan.   We do goat milk soaps, lotions,   bath soaps,   we do   the perfume oils, they even do chopsticks now. Oh nice. Yeah, they do chopsticks. I'm trying to see what else on the table over there.   Oh they do that, something new they're trying is a beard oil. Okay. And   she, my daughters make the,   well, my middle daughter makes the   room spray now also   along with the perfume oils.   And my youngest daughter makes candles. Okay.   She makes all the candles,   her and her boyfriend. Mhmm.   They make those as we need them and   so it's kind of a family operation.  

But   I'm   on the production side   with the goats. Yeah,   we take care of the goats   so   the goats was kind of a hobby to us. Yeah. You know,   uh-huh. Well, whenever you get a hobby that can pay for itself. Exactly. I mean, this is a way we can try to recoup some of them. Yeah.   Make any money on the farm.   Yeah. It's tough to make money on a farm. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the last time I make money is when we grew tobacco. Yeah. Yeah. I mean You don't get a lot of tobacco anymore, do you? No. No. Well,   02/2004.  

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There was a legislation or something, wasn't it? Yeah.  

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They basically paid well, out of the Burley Association. It wasn't the government. It was the Burley Association money. Okay. Because when you raise tobacco,   every pound that sold, I believe it was 23¢.   Okay. Went to the Burley association   for the support price,   government graders and all that. Well they had all that money stockpiled. Well when they bought out the program   they they paid you got x amount of dollars per pound. Yeah. You know   they paid you not to raise it basically. Right. But it was the Burley Association. It wasn't the government. Okay. The Burley Association   that,   that money come from. Yeah. The pool, as they say, it was the tobacco pool.  

That's the last time I made money. Yeah.   I gotta be honest with you. Yeah. I can't say that. I   I make a little bit. I mean, this is kind of a way that we can make more money. Yeah. Of course, I just I had to buy a   she freezes her milk into ice cubes. Okay. Because when she makes them   soaps,   I I didn't know it, but I guess you can burn the  

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the milk with a lie. It makes it too hot. I didn't know you could do that either. Yeah. I mean, I know I mean, lies. Yeah. You  

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gotta be careful with it. Yeah. But she makes she makes,   it'll burn the milk. Yeah.  

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So she freezes it and and it makes it a lot. Oh, wait. Well, you're not giving away trade secrets here. Yeah. Yeah. I guess.  

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Well, it's pretty good stuff. What she makes.   The lotions, I use degreaser   Yeah. On my hands,   a lot. Yeah.   Well,   I work.   Maintenance guy. Yeah. So obviously you get grease on you. Yeah. And,   it takes the oils. I mean, my hands are dry, especially in the winter. Yeah. And since I've been using her lotions better. Of course, I use the unscented. Yeah. I don't wanna smell   fruity Yeah. Or whatever. Yeah. Although it doesn't smell good. Yeah.   I'd use the unscented. She makes an unscented one and,   my hands,   I mean, they've been a lot better. Yeah. A lot better over the winter.   But it's a it's a good product what she makes. Everything they make is they put a lot of pride in it. Yeah. Yeah, they do. You put  

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pride in what you do and it's almost inevitable that it's good. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Now the like the perfume,  

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that perfume it's like a roll on   perfume.   My daughter,   she developed that   the fragrance. Yeah. Yeah. The different fragrances. I I can't remember what they are. Like I said, my wife should be sitting in this chair, not me. Well But she's it's her fault then because we talk mostly about hunting. Well, there you go.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. So when she listens Yeah. She'll She'll say, well, you didn't say anything  

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about that. Chair. Yeah.  

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Yeah. I wish my daughter was here because she's she's   my middle daughter. She's a  

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she's a good PR person. Yeah. You always need one of them.   Yeah. You always need a guy like you that's good with the operations, but then you need the carnival barker. I'm in the background. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm in the background. Yeah. But,  

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yeah, that's,   that's basically what we what we are. We have a Facebook page.   We have a Facebook page.   It's we three apothecure. Well, I'm here. I think I'm saying that right. Yeah. No. That's right.   At least I think it's right. Well, I get talking at home, and I'll I'll be talking fast. Yeah.   I mess it up. Yeah. And I got the v three correct. Yeah. But I do That's the easy part. I called it apaka carry.  

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Yeah, I called it a lot of different things.  

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Keep getting corrected on.   But we have a Facebook page, we have a website. Nice. You can order online.   It's   I think it's we three apothecary.   It's on that card. Oh, here. I yeah.  

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It's,   let's see here.   I've got an email we3apothecary@gmail.   We3apothecary.   Square.   Site. Yeah, that's the website. And is this an Instagram page, we3apothecary?  

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Yeah, sure. I'm not sure on that. Like I said, I'm not the Probably Instagram. I'd imagine that was Instagram. Yeah, I'm on the farm end. Yeah. I said, I'm not I'm not on the product end. Well, that's why we talked about hunting and farming. Exactly.   But,   you can go to Facebook. Okay.   We Three Apothecary.   And, and the websites on that, you just click on that, takes you right to the website.   It has all our products.   Yeah. It's   and if it like I said, if you're out of town Yeah. I don't know how far this goes, but if Well, I don't know either, but if you are out of town We do ship. We do ship, and we try to ship it out the next day. Nice. Unless it's a weekend. Yeah.   So,   yeah.  

Awesome. Check check our page out. Awesome. We have quite a few things. That sounds good. Okay. Well, listen, I really appreciate you talking to me. And then I think  

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I'm trying to look around here, see who we haven't talked to. I don't think I've talked to the honey guy   So if you wanna go grab somebody and tell them to come over. Honey guy or   Actually, I don't think I've talked to the white tent, the yellow tent, or the purple tent. Okay.  

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So I'll go fetch you somebody. Alright. It was really nice to meet you. Yeah. And your name was? Patrick. Patrick. Yeah. And where where will this podcast be? So there's a website. It's called let'stalkclaremont.com.  

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You can find us on Apple,   Apple Podcasts, Spotify,   any of you have anything that   She does podcast. Yeah, if you've got any kind of,   program used for podcasts, it'll be on there. Let's Talk Clermont. Yeah. And I'm gonna try to   See? Completely painless. That's right. That's right. She could have done this.  

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Yeah. She she's shy. Yeah. That's fair enough. She said Well, like I said, that's why we talked about Hutton farming. She says I make the product. She said, you go talk. She said, I'm the talker.   Yeah. Well, we talked. Yeah. Everything, but that.  

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I'm gonna see if one of these will come on. Alright. Sounds good.   How are you? Good. Here are your headphones. Okay.   Microphone?   Tell me when we're on. Oh, we're on. Oh. Oh, yeah. I'm I'm I'm recording all this. Okay. Yeah. Who? So you want the microphone to be about like this.  

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Okay.  

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Far away.   And it's pretty good. And I haven't been telling people this, but,   you might see me fiddle with knobs. I promise I'm paying attention to you. I just wanna try to make sure that I'm getting all that I can.   You know, we live on 222 and you get guys like that all the time. They just think, I don't know who you're trying to impress in your,   you know, 2008   Acura. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're a woman. Does that impress you?   Absolutely not. No? No. Well, there's a public announcement for everybody. If you own a 2008   Acura and you rev your engine   late at night on a road Even when I was a young lady Yeah. It didn't impress me. No? No.  

Well, let's let's start with,   who you are and what you do.  

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My name is Linda Klump. Okay.   I have marshmallow day drinks. Okay. So   my main thing that I make is homemade marshmallows.  

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Oh, really?  

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About 40 flavors Of marshmallows. Of marshmallows.  

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Okay.  

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And I tell people it's because I probably have marshmallow ADHD.  

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Okay.   That's a very specific form of ADHD.   Yes.   Why not? Right? Yeah. I mean, if you gotta have ADHD, you might as well Yeah. With marshmallows. So I find inspiration everywhere. Mhmm.  

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I do another farmer's market on Saturdays,   and it's at, like, a microbrewery.   Which one? Sons of Toil.  

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I somebody else was saying there. I think, I can't remember who. I've met all these people. I can't remember anybody's name. I feel terrible. Probably John from the Krusty Pig. I think it was John. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

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So they make a blackberry stout. Okay.   I am going to make a blackberry stout marshmallow.  

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Are you really? Absolutely.   I didn't realize that you could do so much with marshmallows.  

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You can. I I and and   around Christmas, I make   a dill pickle marshmallow.  

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I   I'll be honest. I'm a little skeptical about that one. I was on board with the blackberry stout one, but you say dill pickle marshmallow.  

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I'm a little skeptical. I call it my merry Grinchmas marshmallow.   I made it as a joke. Yeah. And then I tasted it, and I was like, it's weirdly good. Why is this good? Because I made it as a joke. Yeah.  

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I sell out every year. Do you really? I do. I mean, what's it is it just like a It's like marshmallowy pickle.  

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Bread and butter pickle taste because marshmallows are very sweet. Yeah. But it's good.   Weirdly When do you put those out? Around Christmas, about November.  

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Okay. Yeah. I have to remember that because I'm skeptical, but I I'll I'll try it. I'll tell you what my favorite ones are. Okay.  

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My personal favorite,   to  

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toast Mhmm. Is my coconut mocha marshmallow. Oh, man. That sounds incredible. Like, on a s'more or something?  

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Just Or just toasted. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. And it it's amazing  

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in hot chocolate. I was about to ask what's your favorite one. Your coffee with? Coffee.  

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I actually make it with   Starbucks coconut mocha coffee. Okay.   Who who can say no to that?   And then my other favorite, I make a salted sweet corn marshmallow.  

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Okay.   Okay.  

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Yes. I see some skepticism here. Yes.   But it it is so good. It it's just like salted sweet corn Okay. And a and a marshmallow. And a marshmallow. Yep. So how did  

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how'd you get into this, and how does one actually make marshmallow?  

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So I got into this,   and you're gonna laugh at me.   I Well, I mean, come on. You're making dill pickle marshmallow. Right? It's hard. Right? How can we get any better than that? Right?   I'm actually an amateur geologist.  

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Are you? I studied geology in college.  

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And and I'm a dry dredger.  

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So Dry Dredger is it is the oldest fossil group in the world. Are you really? Yes. Well, listen. I would love to get somebody on here to talk about fossils,   for Claremont County. If you Oh, well, then I'll get your information before I leave. Okay. Because   a lot of people don't and then we'll get back to marshmallows, I promise. A lot of people don't realize that just wealth of fossils we have in this area. It's incredible. It's amazing. It's we're so blessed to have walking over them every day, and we take them for granted   Yeah. Because we see them all the time. And, like, the brachiopods, the crinoids, the bragosa corals  

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That's what I found a couple of years ago. You're gonna be so impressed. Okay. I found part of a Megalagraftus.   Oh, is that the one? Giant sea scorpion. Yeah. No one has found a piece in years and years and years. That's really cool.   I didn't know what it was. Yeah. So I took it. I met with Ben D'Tello.  

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Okay. He's a professor,   in Indiana. Okay. And,  

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he confirmed   the identification. The find. Yeah. And,   so I had experts from all over   messaging me. Where did you find it? Tell us where exactly you found it. I was like, I am no fool.   It's like morels. Right? I am Judy and menopausal,   and I'm not telling you my best hunting spot.   I'm not a mountain goat. I can't climb the mountains anymore.  

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So so there's no chance I can get you to reveal your spots? Alright. Absolutely not. Alright.   Alright.  

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Yeah. So what does what does fossil hunting and marshmallows  

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have to do with each other? That would be my next question.  

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I I started out doing wire   wrap like beach glass because there were a lot of places that I would fossil hunt. I was finding beach glass. Mhmm.   The Ohio River, it's you find beach glass everywhere if you just look down.   And I thought, I bet I can make some cute stuff with this. Mhmm. So that's how I started about four years ago.   And then I watched   I observed what everybody else was making Mhmm. Because I'm a home baker.   I love my sweets.   So I thought I wanted to do something nobody else is doing. Yeah.   And I thought,  

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why not do marshmallows? Yeah. I don't know anybody.   I mean, you think of a marshmallow. You get jet puff, and that's just your marshmallow.  

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If you have one of my homemade marshmallows, you will never buy another store bought marshmallow.   They are so different. I have people,   that try my marshmallows and they're like, I don't I don't like marshmallows.  

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Yeah. And then, they try one of mine and they were like,   oh my god. You proved me wrong. I do like marshmallows.  

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Well, my ma, couple years ago because she would always go on and on and on   how peeps aren't the same.   The peeps, they change peeps, they change peeps. She found an old peep recipe   and made her own peeps.   Very cool. Yeah. Love it. She's a baker. She loves baking. Yeah.   But you're right. I mean, the homemade stuff is much different. Oh, yeah. Much different.  

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So   because   I love to go fossil hunting   I have a real job. I promise. I  

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do too. I think we all do. Right. So I thought  

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I needed to make some extra money   to go on my out of state fossil hunting trips. Yeah. You know, I needed to cover my hotel stays and my gas and whatever.  

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So I that's why I do farmer's markets   on the weekends.   It   funds my fossil hunting trips.  

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That's incredible. Right. You make marshmallows to fund your fossil hunting. Yes. It works.  

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It really works. So  

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Not to get back to fossils. Have you heard of the House of Fey cops?   Yes. Who hasn't? I really wanna try to get him on. Oh, you need Tom Johnson on. Yeah. Yes. Is is he a a nice guy? Is he He  

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is a wealth of knowledge. Okay. He's amazing.  

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I mean, I saw the pictures of some of the trilobites he's got. Yes. I mean, that's those are, like, museum specimens. It's incredible.  

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You need to go. Yeah. He has those specimens Really? At the house of Phacobs. Really? Yes. That's incredible. You need to go. Yeah. I'm Seriously. I need to plan a trip to Serp Serpent Mound in general.   Yes. You do. Yeah.  

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I didn't know this either that there's a there's a crater. It's a meteor Yes. It's a like, a meteor crater.   Hit Ohio Yes. Like, 300,000,000 years ago or so. And there are places,  

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within the crater where you you will not get cell service. I've heard that too. And,  

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if you take a compass, your compass is not gonna work. Yeah. I've heard that as well. I'd I was listening to, him on a podcast,   and he was talking about how he bought his house.  

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And nobody told him that, you know, all this spooky stuff happens at his house. Yeah. And it's pretty wild. It's it's really cool. Yeah. He's a neat person to know. Yeah. And if you have questions, if you have a specimen, you you're just not sure what it is Yeah. You can take to him. He he's always happy to talk to anybody.   Yeah. He's a neat guy to talk to. Yeah. I'm gonna all I'm gonna try to get him.  

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But, anyway, marshmallows. Marshmallows. We're talking about you. Yeah.  

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So it kinda grew from   doing wire wrapped beach glass to making marshmallows   to,   I make other things too now. Yeah.   I have a condition called Ehlers Danlos syndrome. Okay.   And I now make fire cider because I was on a lot of prescriptions. Yeah. And I was taking prescriptions to counter side effects from other prescriptions. Yeah. And it was just kind of a vicious cycle.   So I read about FireCider, and I now make it to sell. I was talking to,  

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I can't remember Patty's last night, but I was talking to her on the phone yesterday, and she was talking about the lady at Gracious Farms   who makes fire cider. And I asked my wife, I said, have you heard about fire cider? She's like, oh, yeah. I really wanna make it sounds like it's Yeah. Really medicinal and really good for you. It it really is. So I was able to get off of a bunch of the prescriptions. Really?   Yeah. Yeah. I know better. Yeah. Well, that's all that matters. And you need to when when you find out,  

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things that that help you, that   help you function as a person,  

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you wanna share that with people. Yeah. You know? Yeah.  

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I mean yeah.   So so how do you make a marshmallow? How do you make a marshmallow? How do you make a So your basic ingredients for marshmallow is Hang on a second. We'll we'll let that we'll let that car alarm lie down. That's the fun part about doing podcasts, like, out in the world. Yeah. One of the I recently did one with,   Paige Craig from the genealogical society. And we're sitting in her house and her, like, grandfather clock goes off in the background.  

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So, anyway, how do you Real life happens. Right? Yes. It does. It does. It keeps going Yep. No matter what you're doing.   So your basic recipe is sugar, water, corn syrup, little bit of salt. Mhmm.   You cook it to 240  

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degrees,   and then you mix it with gelatin. Okay.   I use a stand mixer because   I'm not gonna stand there for fifteen minutes and spin it around. Yeah.   So you you mix it for fifteen minutes, and then you pour it in a tray.  

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At that point, it's a thick liquid. Mhmm. And you have to let it set for six hours. Okay. And then you can cut them. Okay. Cut them, dip them in chocolate, do whatever. Yeah. But that's your basic,  

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you know, basic marshmallow. Okay.  

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I don't know I don't know if I have many other marshmallow questions.  

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One of my best sellers is chocolate bourbon pecan marshmallow. Well, that sounds good too. So it's a bourbon flavored marshmallow dipped in chocolate  

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with   pecans.  

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So what else   I mean, coffee, hot chocolate,   stuff like that. But what else can you use marshmallows for? What else can you use marshmallows for?  

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I guess, Rice Krispie Treats or just eat them. Yeah. You can just eat them. Yeah. Like, I make a couple  

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of sour,  

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marshmallows. I make, watermelon pucker. Have you made Rice Krispie Treats with any? I have. Which ones do you like?  

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I I really like   my blueberry   flavored marshmallows to make rice crispy treats with. Okay. And you can just zest a fresh lemon on top. So you can You are you're making  

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some bougie rice crispy treats. Yeah. But I tell you a bougie rice crispy treats. Yeah. That is a bougie rice crispy treats. Yeah.  

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But I tell you a bougie white white rice crispy treat. My kids get sick of them. Yeah. But but they tell everybody about them. Yeah.  

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It's it's really funny. So what other kind of recipes do you do you have with marshmallows?  

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I don't know. I   I feel like I get inventive with things. What's the craziest thing you've done? The craziest thing.   I don't know. I got all kinds of crazy if we were if we're going there, well, I've got all kind of crazy going on.   I mean, really, who thinks of a dill pickle marshmallow? Well, I I wouldn't have. Or a salted sweet corn marshmallow. Yeah. You know? My brain just works different. Yeah. But but it's all good.  

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Why is that?   I'm really resisting the urge to talk more about fossils.   Like, I'm really resisting that urge.   I don't know if I can though. How'd how'd you get into fossils? Into fossils? Yeah.  

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Good story. I did. Story times.  

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So  

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when the pandemic   made my job all virtual.  

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What what is your job? What do you do for a living? So I'm an Ohio parent mentor. Okay.  

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I cover all of Highland County. Okay. The five school districts in Highland County, and   I help families through the special education process. Okay. So it's my job to to be up to date on   special education laws  

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so I can help guide families. That's nice. And I'm also the parent of a child with a disability. I was gonna say, something like that has to be a calling. Yeah. Yeah.  

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You know, I've been in the ditches too with my own child. Yeah. And I feel like it helps me connect with families better. Yeah.  

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I mean, it's gotta be tough for  

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a a new parents to Oh, for sure. Adjust to something like that. Yes. Yeah. And people don't understand that   as a parent,   you're you're so worried about the medical stuff, the health stuff. Yeah. And then when your child with a disability starts going to school,   you have to learn a new language. Okay.   And and special education is all about acronyms.   Yeah.  

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And a lot of times, schools  

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because they do this every day. That's their job.   They will throw words and acronyms at families that they don't understand. It's gotta be overwhelming. And it's hard as a parent. You're sitting on one side of the table and you have eight to 10 people Yeah. Who do this every day and they're throwing things at you and you don't understand,   it's hard to sit there and ask questions Yeah. Because you don't wanna feel like you don't know. I know. I know. Because this is your child. I mean, none of our children have special needs or anything like that, but even just  

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with kids. Yeah. You know, you talk to doctors or you talk to teachers and stuff like that. You don't wanna look like an idiot. Absolutely. You know? And that's where I come in. Yeah. I bridge the gap between school districts and families. Mhmm.  

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And, you know,   I feel like because I also have a child with a disability  

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that families are able to connect with me better. Yeah.   I'm just down to earth. Yeah. You know?  

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Oh, you make marshmallows and hunt for fossils. That's about as down to earth as you get. Total nerd sitting here. You know? You know, you'd be surprised about how many of these people are total nerds about what they do, which is great. Yeah. So it's it's all good. Yeah. I I find  

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a lot of joy in being able to help people. Mhmm.   You know, I was that mom too. Yeah. I was sitting on the other side of the table. Yeah. And and it really is fulfilling to be able to help other families through this.  

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Yeah. Well, like I said, it has to be a calling. It's Yeah. It's like teaching or being a doctor or something like that. It's not for the faint of heart, I imagine. No. Yeah. That's really that's in Highland County? Yeah. You live in Highland County? Mhmm. Okay.   So how so how did you get into fossils?  

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So the pandemic. Pandemic. Yeah. Pandemic. So my job became all virtual when everything got shut down, and it made me crazy. Yeah. It made me crazy to talk to people on a computer screen all day. Yeah. So   I I need to be out in nature. I, you know, I call it my nature therapy. Yeah.   And I have always been   someone who goes hiking just on a whim. Yeah. Go for a country drive, find a creek somewhere,   just walk in the creek and play. Yeah.  

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So I joined a couple fossil groups, one being dry dredgers. Yep.  

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And so we get invited to private rock quarries. It's really cool. And we go on field trips. Yeah. And so I got my people my real people fixed Yeah. By going fossil hunting with people. You can you can   stay six feet away from people and still make that human connection. Yeah. Yes. I know. So that's how I got into it. Favorite fossil.  

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Favorite fossil? Yeah. Nothing necessarily that you found, but just in general.  

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It's hard to pick just one. I know. I know. It really is. Okay. Well, then let's do this.  

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Well, I feel like you're gonna say that the sea scorpion one, like, the favorite one that you found. Although, is is that the one?  

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It it really is   just because it's so rare. Yeah. So many people would say   a trilobite. Yeah. You know, I found a trilobite before I even knew what it was. Yeah. And then in my group, you know, we're posting pictures. What is this? What is that?   And everybody you know, when I found my first trilobite, they're like, oh my god. That's a trilobite. Yeah. People go they hunt years and never find one. Yeah. And I just happened to find one. There was I can't remember the name of the it was a road cut, I think, off because I went to school in at Ohio Wesleyan,  

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studied geology. And for paleontology, we go on a field trip.   Down here,   obviously, because where else would you go if you're in Ohio to find fossils? There was this road cut and it just rained.   And we were literally just picking   trilobites because all the all the Yeah. Limestone has kinda got muddy. Yeah. So you can just pick them right out. Now in Miamisburg,  

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the Miamisburg,   Community Park Mhmm. There's a   railroad track that goes behind the park, and that's a really good spot,   because,  

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you know, they cut into a hillside. Yeah. So after it rains, they just fall out of the hillside. Yeah.  

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There's a the other thing we did in paleontology, which I think   of all the people here, you'll probably find this the most interesting.   My professor, there's a rock outcrop that they can't,   associate to any other,   Formation? Formation. Okay. So what we did is we went and we got samples from it, and he had figured some way   with acids and buffers to break down the rock, but keep this particular fossil called a conodont.   Do you know about conodonts? Yeah. So for paleontology, we would look under stereo microscope,   find the conodonts,   identify them, and then based off of that, he was actually able to associate this with different, with the particular,   what do you call it?  

I   guess, what do you call it? Formation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that that was a really cool thing to do.  

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I really think   microfossils   is a they're amazing. Yeah. Or pollen.  

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When you get into the pollen, so Yeah. And the algae?  

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Yeah. Yeah.   Really? Who thinks about finding fossilized algae? Nobody.  

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You're probably the only person. I do.  

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Like, yay. I found algae.   My kids, seriously, they they think I have a problem. Yeah. My my 23 year old daughter,   she told me one time I went on a fossil hunting trip, and, of course, I have the backpack pack and the knee pads and and   everything. And I come in, and I'm like, oh my gosh. This is so heavy.   And she looked at me and she said, mom,   you need to stop bringing rocks in the house.   And I said, you know, honey, I I feel like our roles have reversed here.   When when your child tells you to stop bringing rocks in the house, you might have a problem.  

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On our on our honeymoon,   my wife and I eloped. We went to Maine   and got married in Scarborough, and then we did, like, a road trip around Maine.   I told her, let's go rock hunting.   So anyway, it wasn't fossils. It was just rocks and there were some, pegmatite outcroppings, which I don't know if you know what pegmatites are, but they're just this beautiful   white.   In in, school, we went to a pegmatite mine and it's just the whitest.   It's incredible. It's like, let's do that. Well, fast forward to the the rock hunting trip where   we're hiking up this, like, a mile mountain to get to this thing. She has had it. There's black flies all over us. We're trying to there's ticks everywhere. I think she almost divorced me. I it was, like, just three days after we get married. I think she almost divorced me. I'm dragging her up some abandoned ski lift in the middle of it. Ever go with you again, though?  

No.   No. I don't think so, which is fine. Yeah. Our daughter love we have a creek that runs by our house, so I'll go down to my daughter and try to find fossils in there. I'll pick up anything. Anything. Like bones, broken glass, broken pottery. I I have found arrowheads  

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and,   Native American tools. Yeah.   It's amazing. There's so much stuff here in Southwest Ohio. I found a No dinosaurs get all that. Skull. Did you really? A wild boar skull back in the fall. Really? I didn't know what it was. I thought I didn't know wild boars around. I know. Those things could be dangerous. Either. Yeah. So I found the lower jaw first, and I thought, is this a dog? Yeah. You know?   And we walked,   about another hour and a half. And I found, you know, I found part of the skull sticking out of sand.   So I pulled it up, and it was the top Yeah.  

And the tusks. Yeah. And I was like,   wait. What? So I had to look it up, and I had to research it. And, actually, Adams County has some known groups of wild boar. Really? But this was in Brown County.  

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That's interesting.  

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That's what I thought. Because I've I've heard And now I'm a little skittish to go by myself.   Yeah. If they're a you know, you don't wanna get gored.  

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I I I hunt, and I I   know we don't want wild pigs around here. Yeah. But,   man, it'd be nice to have some wild pigs around here to shoot. That'd be some good eating. Well yeah. I mean, I don't want the problem they have down south where it's Oh my gosh. They destroy crops. Everything. Yeah. Well, even just like a couple of them that I could go and shoot, that'd be great.  

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And what I read, I looked at the ODNR website. Oh, they'll let you. Yes. You don't have to have a hunting license. You can kill them whenever. Wild boar. Yeah. Because they're such a nuisance. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm full of so much information.   Like, I know a lot about   I know a little bit about a lot of stuff. Yeah. Like, hey. I  

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Make life You're looking at a at a at a jack of all trades, but a master of none.  

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I'm a master marshmallows. Well, master marshmallow. Yes.   I have gotten that down.   So yeah. Oh,  

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it's getting a little windy.   Well, I'll tell you what. Why don't you tell people again who you are, what you what you do, and where they can find you?   And then when I don't let me forget before I leave. I do wanna get your contact information. So we'll talk about fossils coming up for you. Yeah.  

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My name is Linda Klump. I have marshmallow daydreams   because I'm a daydreamer.  

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Yeah. And I have been told   I'm a marshmallow.   But I like to do a lot of different things,   and I and I set up a farmer's markets,   the one at Sons of Toil in Mount Orb on Saturday and the New Richmond Farmers Market on Sundays,   to fund my fossil hunting trips.   And if if you have fossils and you wanna talk about them, bring them to me. I am so happy to talk to people about it.  

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I just can't what are the chances that there's another fossil nut Right? At the New Richmond Farmers Market? There's a little girl who comes to see me. Mhmm.  

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Her mom brings her, and she brings me fossils all the time. Mhmm. She had some Silurian aged fossils.   Okay. The Silurian age was the shortest time period, nineteen million years. Right?   So she brings these to me, and I I was so happy for her. I said, oh my gosh. These are amazing.   And she said, you can have them. I said, absolutely not. That is treasure, sister. Right. You'll keep that. That is treasure.   And she she it just lit up her day. Yeah. You know? I said, it's really hard to find fossils in this in this time period,   but it just made her day. Yeah. And her mom's always coming up to me. She's like, you know, it's just so neat that she has this interest, and you can help teach her about what she's finding. Yeah.  



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I love fossil. I love geology.  

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Yeah. Yeah. It tells you know, and we're walking on what used to be the ocean floor. Oh, yeah. So it's so cool to imagine   what,   what the climate was like. Yeah. I mean, because it's just tropical. Yeah. Yeah. That's where you get all the limestone from. Yeah. Yeah. So so cool. Yeah.  

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Well, listen. It was really great talking with you. You too. I actually need to check the time. I I'm dressed like this because I have a wedding to go to later. I I'm a little worried people think that I just show up.   What's that?  

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It's it's fine. Okay.  

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Okay. Let me check the time. Oh, I gotta pack up. I feel bad I haven't gotten everybody.  

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I'll probably have to come back. I was warned by my my daughter that's with me. She said, don't talk about me, mom. That's Is that okay? Oh. So I had to mention her too. Yeah.  

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Is there any is there any embarrassing things you wanna say about her? About her? Yeah.  

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Not not really. No? She's kinda my midlife crisis. Okay. I was supposed to be done with my 23 year old and then surprise.   Here's another one. Yeah.  

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But everybody already knows this. My other kids, she's my favorite. Yeah.  

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You know?  

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People are like, you're not supposed to have a favorite.   I do. I freely admit it. She's my favorite.   Throw hands with me. It's fine.  

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All right.   Then I guess if you wouldn't if Trisha's knocking around here somewhere, I'll probably just close off with her. Okay. And then then like I said, I'm gonna have to come back to get the rest of these. I feel bad I haven't gotten everybody. But I didn't have a wedding to go to. I definitely sit here. Yeah. Get to your wedding. Yeah.  

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Y'all dressed up and everything. Well, I was telling Trisha it's  

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I,   they   recently   converted to Eastern Orthodox of all things, which, you know, it's fine. I have no problem with that. But I have never been to an east Eastern Orthodox Church. So I'm kind of kind of interested to see what this is all about. Right. Yeah.   My wife went to their baptism   yesterday because they just converted, so they have to get baptized in   church.   And she said it was a lot of chanting, a lot of ritual. So I'm like, oh, this will be interesting. That is interesting. Yeah. I think I'm Catholic, so I'm not Catholic. Theology is amazing. Yeah. I I mean,  

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how how many are there? Yeah.   There's So many. Tons. And they all have different traditions. Tons of yeah. Yeah.   Alright. I know.  

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Thank you so much.   And Thank you. After I get done with, Tricia, I'm gonna come over and and get your information. Awesome.  

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Yeah. Thank you. Nice to meet you. You  

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too.   I was saying I gotta I I feel bad because I haven't gotten to everybody, but I gotta wrap up. Okay.   But I thought we'd just end with you. Okay.   And if you don't mind, I'll probably come back to try to get some of the other people that I missed. If you If that's alright with you. Yeah. It's perfectly fine. And I and I'll look at the dates and I'll I'll obviously message you on Okay. Facebook and stuff like that. But before I go, I just wanna give you another opportunity to say who you are, what this is, and how people can get involved.  

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The big thing is we'd like to see people come out customers come out and visit. We have a lot of different items.   I feel like a big variety of items and,   some things you expect to see, the breads, the produce, but some extra things. Yeah. You know, the teas and the Well, the barbecue sauce. Barbecue sauce. You've got a lot of really cool stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I think we do. Yeah. So Awesome.  

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Well, thank you very much for having me. You're welcome. And, I'm gonna call this a very successful podcast. Okay. Great. Thank you. So much. Alright. Take care. You too.   Well, I hope you enjoyed those interviews.   I really enjoyed enjoyed talking to everybody. I had a a a great time. It's it's always fun to talk to a whole lot of different people and and hear what they're doing and how they started doing it and, and why they're doing it.   So I hope you enjoyed it. And like I said in the intro, we're we're we'll be back to do that at at the New Richmond's Farm at the New Richmond Farmers Market. And thanks to Trisha for having us out. That was that was a really a lot of fun.   And I, I wanna say if if you run a farmer's market or you know somebody that runs a farmer's market,   and you'd like me to come out there and do do the same thing I did for the new Richmond,   farmer's market,   let me know. I'd be happy to do it. It was it was a really, really good time.  

So with all that said,   let's let's jump into, some events.   Milford Frontier Days, that's gonna be starting,   today,   when the episode comes out, Thursday, the twenty ninth, and it's gonna run all the way through Saturday, the thirty first.   So today, it's gonna be from 5PM to 10PM.   Friday, it's gonna be from 5PM to 11PM.   And Saturday, the thirty first, it's gonna be from 12PM   to 11PM.   And this is all at Riverside Park.   And it's just a it seems like it's just a great festival.   There's gonna be carnival rides, games, food vendors, live music,   and, the parade is gonna be today at 06:30PM.  

So, hopefully, you're listening to this a little earlier in the day, and you'll be able to get out there for the parade.   And admission is free. So if you're looking for a fun event to do in Milford, I would I would check that out.   Next up, we got Creek Days at the park. This is gonna be May 30 from 1PM to 3PM at Sycamore Park.   And this is, what I think is great about this is it's open for all ages. So even if you're, you know, you're 60 or 70 years old, you can go out, to this event and, you stomp around the creek, and there'll be a naturalist there to tell you about geology and wildlife.   So it sounds like a really great time for everybody,   assuming you like stomping around the creek. If you don't like stomping around creeks, then it's probably isn't for you.  

They do say to wear some sturdy,   closed toed shoes, and I think they even mentioned rain boots because,   obviously, if you're walking around the creek, you're probably gonna get a little, wet and muddy. So dress appropriately if that's if you plan on going to that.   There's heritage crafts, DIY upcycled flowers, on the May 31   from 1PM to 04:30PM,   and that's gonna be at 2156   State Route 50,   in Batavia.   And this is, gonna be guided by artist Adrian Hawke, and you're gonna take recycled materials and transform them   into floral arrangements,   which sounds pretty cool.  

And there's two time slots and you need to preregister. So if that if you're interested in that, make sure you you pre register for it.   Union Township has a summer concert, with the Bronson Arroyo band. And I really hope I pronounced Arroyo correctly.   But that's gonna be on June 6 from 7PM   to 9PM   at the Union Township Civic Center Amphitheater.   And it's   obviously gonna be live music featuring the Bronson Arroyo Band. There's also gonna be food trucks and a farmer's market. And the food trucks and farmer's market starts at 04:00PM.   And admission is free. So, I mean, who doesn't love a free concert?  

National Trails Day on June 7, that's gonna be from 9AM to 1PM   at Afton Zagar Road, Batavia, Ohio.   And this is, gonna be with the Clermont County Parks Parks District, East East Fork State Park, and Friends of East Fork,   to celebrate,   their hiking and biking trail. And there's gonna be booths all along the trail at the campground,   in Cambridge.   And, the overlook,   is gonna have,   some activities and some info and stuff like that. So that sounds like a a really nice hike, you know.   Knee high naturalist. I love these knee high naturalist events.   This is gonna be colors of nature. It's gonna be on June 7.  

It's gonna be from 10AM to 11AM   at Shore Park.   It's a free program. It's pre preschool focused for three to five year olds,   and you're gonna read and craft and explore all of nature's cover colors.   And it's gonna be followed by optional play and,   discovery. So,   that sounds great if you've got some young kids.   There's a family music picnic,   Katie Pritchard concert, who I believe is a local musician.   That's gonna be on June 8 from 6PM to 8PM at the Cincinnati Nature Center.   And it's just an outdoor evening concert.   They tell you to pack a picnic,   and it's free for members, and then regular admission for for any nonmembers.  

There's a landowner conservation   chat, called pest problems on June 11 at 6PM at Clingman Park.   And this is a free educational session, and they're gonna focus on invasive,   insect pests. And there's gonna be some experts there that'll,   help you identify these pests and give you some tips on protecting your plants or, you know,   vegetables and fruits if you're growing them.   Some strategies on how to protect those.   There's no registration required, and like I said, it's, it's completely free.   There's also I'll tell you the parks department is really leaning into these cicadas. There's a cicada jewelry class on June 12   at, 07:00PM   on Clingman Park. So if you really love these cicadas and you wanna have a little memento   from this brood,   you can go there and you can create some resin jewelry using real cicada wings,   and it's free. You do have to register, and it is designed for ages 10 and up. So if it was designed for ages younger than that, I'd definitely take my daughter who seems to love cicadas for some reason. Personally, they creep me out.  

There's another Union Township summer concert. I get the feeling that they probably do these pretty regularly,   and this is gonna be with Hi Fi Honey on   June 13 from 7PM to 9PM.   Again, this is gonna be at the Union Township Civic Center Amphitheater.   Live music with Hi Fi Honey.   It looks like they play a variety of pop, rock, country, and some Motown   favorites. And just like, the previous,   summer concert,   there's gonna be food truck trucks and a farmer's market, and that's gonna start at 4PM. So if you wanna eat some food and check out a farmer's market, get there get there at four.   And it's also free.  

There's a sunset river paddle on June 14 at 07:00PM   at, Chilo Park,   Lock 34.   And it's a guided sunset canoe trip on the Ohio River. And you'll explore near the Crooked Run Nature Preserve. All the equipments provided. It's free. You do need to register, and it's designed for ages 12 and up. So don't don't be bringing your five year old on the, Sunset River paddle. That would probably be a terrible idea.   So those are the events we have, and   thank you so much for listening.   And I'll I'll   I'll I'll get have another, plug for we are trying to do a value for value model. So if you find value in this, please send some value back in the form of time, talent, or treasure.   And like I said in the beginning,   treasure's great. Give us an email. We'll figure out how you can how you can get that, give money to us. That that's wonderful.  

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But,   my wife, Katie, was making dinner, and she's pregnant right now. And I think she's she's due in August, so she's we're getting close to the finish line. And at least my experience has been in our other or with our prior two kids is that once she gets closer and closer to the due date, she just gets tired of being pregnant and is kind of grumpy. So she's making dinner, and Olive looks at her and says, mom, I know you're growing a baby,   but you need to chill out.   And that was probably the boldest thing I've ever heard somebody tell a pregnant woman.   Fortunately, Olive is still with us. Katie didn't kill her, which is wonderful.  

And we actually all laughed about it. So she chose the perfect time to drop that bit of,   that that gem on us.   So there's your olive wisdom for the day. Thank you again for listening. We really appreciate it, and we will see you next time.